truthfinder Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 I'm not wanting a detailed explanation of their internal affairs; that's not my business. Having been in religious life myself for several years, I'm simply interested to know what is going on, hopefully from a non-biased source, since I have no real idea. New communities particularly are susceptible to a LOT of problems that are not known--and don't need to be known--to the outside world. My first inclination--while knowing hardly anything about it--is that someone was assigned to help iron out these kinks in formation, since the community has seemingly gotten so large, before it turns into a problem that can't be fixed. I'm just curious as to why there's such a hullabaloo. Because people think it's all about the Latin Mass? That certain leaders in the Church are trying to clamp down on traditional-leaning communities because of their affinity for tradition? That's so superficial, and IMO, it's probably not anything to do with that, per se. From what I've read (granted from rather Rorate-like sources), there were other concerns: things like governance of property, formation of seminarians. But the Latin-Mass is certainly part of it. To basically ban the the EF everywhere, to instantly shut the seminary (which was teaching the EF), is more than just other concerns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veritasluxmea Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 I'm not wanting a detailed explanation of their internal affairs; that's not my business. Having been in religious life myself for several years, I'm simply interested to know what is going on, hopefully from a non-biased source, since I have no real idea. New communities particularly are susceptible to a LOT of problems that are not known--and don't need to be known--to the outside world. My first inclination--while knowing hardly anything about it--is that someone was assigned to help iron out these kinks in formation, since the community has seemingly gotten so large, before it turns into a problem that can't be fixed. I'm just curious as to why there's such a hullabaloo. Because people think it's all about the Latin Mass? That certain leaders in the Church are trying to clamp down on traditional-leaning communities because of their affinity for tradition? That's so superficial, and IMO, it's probably not anything to do with that, per se. That makes sense; I don't mean to imply that you want a detailed explanation of their internal affairs, but that because it's so complicated and internal it's be hard to get even a simple explanation without private details. I think your first instinct is correct, a lot of the hullabaloo seems to be people's impressions and speculations. Granted they're not completely unfounded- it was badly carried out and perhaps that's due to prejudice- but at the end of the day, I can't find anything concrete to explain it one way or another. So in regards to the situation I can only rely on my personal experiences, which line up with what truthfinder posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ark Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 They were a Roman Catholic order restoring the Traditional Latin Mass back to ordinary use. To the higher ups this anti-VII behavior and is worse than the local habitless nun preaching heresy and progressive ideology. They were chosen as a signal to other orders that this is unacceptable. It's been 50 years since the council, the Church is in shambles, but we must praise V2 and there is no going back, as our holy father Pope Francis recently said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ark Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 Just ask your self, of all the orders, were they the ones in most need of Vatican intervention? Hmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NadaTeTurbe Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 It's not because an order preaches the Truth, that internally, everything's perfect. Satan knew the Bible by heart. (I am not comparing them to Satan, of course. They are not of my spirituality - I am not Franciscan, I love the Novus Ordo, and I am very against the dogma of Mary Co-redemptrix, and the only time I meet them, they were joyful preacher, very dedicated to the poor. They also believed in Medjugorge, wich is a big NO.) It's been 50 years since the council, the Church is in shambles, but we must praise V2 and there is no going back, as our holy father Pope Francis recently said. Thanks to God, there is no going back. Vatican II is a treasure for the Church. I hope you are happy in the SSPX. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ark Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 I'm not in the SSPX, I'm just a Roman Catholic. I attend a parish that celebrates a Romanized Novus Ordo and has a Latin Mass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cherie Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 Just ask your self, of all the orders, were they the ones in most need of Vatican intervention? Hmmm Actually, I know a handful of Orders currently going through an "intervention" of sorts. This Order's is just particularly public, for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotpink Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 Just ask your self, of all the orders, were they the ones in most need of Vatican intervention? Hmmm There are tons of orders that the vatican investigats. But really, this one gets all the news beucase people somehow see them the maryter. I know I'm not Catholic so I sholdn't have a voice but the whole contentionusness between the Pre VatII crowd and the post are so insane that I can't really stand it. I think that the current Pope is a really nice guy who just stated facts. Vatican 2 is the way of law. We can appreciate older forms but they are not the law. Oh and to the other poster. I think I was thinking of the CFR's. I know I did stuff with the FFI's tho. At any rate this whole Catholic angst betwen the old mass and the new mass is one of the reasons I'm hesitant to join the church. I don't get why some people can't understand that the church chose the move and that it's not all some big nightmare mistake and that with the right pope all of the sudden old mass will be the norm and new mass will never be said again. I sometimes feel like that's the hope of old mass people and it makes me feel this awful pit in my stomach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ark Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Actually, I know a handful of Orders currently going through an "intervention" of sorts. This Order's is just particularly public, for some reason. There are tons of orders that the vatican investigats. But really, this one gets all the news beucase people somehow see them the maryter.. Which other orders are going through interventions the way the Friars of the Immaculate have been? Interested in knowing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Perhaps the LCWR? But to my memory I don't recall their leadership being completely replaced, any of their convents closed, nor their preferred form of the Mass being forbidden to them etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NadaTeTurbe Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Regnum Cristi, the legionnaries of Christ ? And the LCWR is not a religious community, it's a place of meeting for the leaders of religious communities, not even to the sisters but for the superiors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 And the LCWR is not a religious community, it's a place of meeting for the leaders of religious communities, not even to the sisters but for the superiors. True, but I don't believe that explains the unequal treatment of the two groups. Also the over site of the LCWR has ended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Perhaps the LCWR? But to my memory I don't recall their leadership being completely replaced, any of their convents closed, nor their preferred form of the Mass being forbidden to them etc... And apparently their scrutiny has ended. Time will tell if they truly intend to conform themselves to the true faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 So in terms of high level scrutiny we have groups founded by a notorious criminal pervert, a group of avowed modernists, and a group who prefer the traditional Mass of the Catholic Church. One of these things is not like the other... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ark Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Hmm... So no order that has had its superiors replaced and seminaries closed? Apparently the hierarchs are more concerned with the Traditional Latin Mass than heresy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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