Oremoose Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 (edited) Jeremiah, Isaiah, you know those guys that speak for God to humanity. Do people still have that occupation? With the death of cardinal George. his quote about him and his successor came to mind and I remember a conversation that of how some one was regarding him and that statement as Prophecy, while some one retorted that the "Age of Profits" was over. Is that true? I thought that St. Paul put prophecy as a gift of the spirit. So how would we know? Would it a "level" mysticism? Just I thought I wanted to throw in to the Catholic Void. Edit:Spelling Edited April 18, 2015 by Oremoose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truthfinder Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 The age of formal prophecy and revelation is over since their job was to herald the Messiah - who has come. That would mean that private revelation is not on the same par as Isaiah, but prophecy is still a gift that can be found today. Prophet also tends to have two meanings: one is that it is a divine revelation, the other is just those who have the clarity of thinking to see how things really are/or might be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oremoose Posted April 19, 2015 Author Share Posted April 19, 2015 The age of formal prophecy and revelation is over since their job was to herald the Messiah - who has come. That would mean that private revelation is not on the same par as Isaiah, but prophecy is still a gift that can be found today. Prophet also tends to have two meanings: one is that it is a divine revelation, the other is just those who have the clarity of thinking to see how things really are/or might be. So could Card. George's statement about him dying in his bed. His successor dying in Jail... be considered Prophetic? so like rolling a 20 every time the DM calls for a perception check? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truthfinder Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 So could Card. George's statement about him dying in his bed. His successor dying in Jail... be considered Prophetic? so like rolling a 20 every time the DM calls for a perception check? I really don't know. Until a certain time, most people would have expected to die in their own bed - he hasn't seemed to indicate anything more specific. We can only judge prophecy by once its fulfilled or failed to be fulfilled (ie, at least two successors from now). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarbTherese Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 I don't think that our call and vocation, through baptism, to be prophets is about predicting the future. One might receive the gift to do so; however, it is not what our baptismal call and vocation is intrinsically about. Catholic Catchism: 785 "The holy People of God shares also in Christ's prophetic office," above all in the supernatural sense of faith that belongs to the whole People, lay and clergy, when it "unfailingly adheres to this faith . . . once for all delivered to the saints,"210 and when it deepens its understanding and becomes Christ's witness in the midst of this world. http://ncronline.org/blogs/peace-pulpit/everyday-prophets-are-our-midst Most of us probably do not remember our Baptism because, of course, we were almost all of us infants when we were baptized, but there is a very important part of that ceremony of Baptism that we should reflect on regularly. After the priest has poured the water on the person to be baptized, and through that beautiful symbol has taken that person through being buried in the death of Jesus, and rising to new life in Jesus, after that the priest, deacon or minister anoints the person with holy chrism, and says, “As Jesus was anointed Priest, Prophet and King, so may you live always as a member of His body.” In other words, may you be priest, prophet and king like Jesus............. Not many of us would think of ourselves as being called to be prophets, but in fact, we are. It’s part of our carrying on the work of Jesus who was a prophet. We think of Jesus as a wonderworker, the healer, the compassionate, the healing person who has drawn all people through Himself through love, but we don’t think very often of Jesus the Prophet Today, we will explore that and see what it means for Him and other prophets, and for us who are called through our Baptism, to be prophets. First of all, we ask ourselves what is a prophet? Sometimes, I suppose, we’re caught up with the idea that a prophet is someone who predicts the future, who can foresee what is going to come in the future. That really isn’t what we mean by a prophet, by those God calls to be prophets. It has nothing to do with predicting the future. A prophet is one who speaks on behalf of God. That is what a prophet does. A prophet is called to be one who speaks as God speaks, bringing the message of God into our world, into the human family, into our lives. Clearly, that is what Jesus did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veritasluxmea Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 One example of someone actually having the charism of prophesy in modern day times is St Faustina. I don't think the cardinal's quote could be read as being a real, genuine prophecy. It's more just a wise saying, anyone paying attention with a little common sense could come to the same conclusion he did. *Maybe* one could argue being wise about the future is from a slight influence of the charism of prophecy and gift from the holy spirit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little2add Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 they are a boat load of false prophets too, alive and well leading some astray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corban711 Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 According to Cardinal George, that quote was not intended to be a prophetic statement. Interesting article on that here... That doesn't necessarily mean that it won't turn out to be prophetic nevertheless though. Only time will tell. It is true that the "age of the prophets" is over with the coming of Christ and the completion of God's self-revelation in Christ. It is also true however that Scripture speaks of a gift of prophecy, that many saints have had that charism, and the Holy Spirit will continue give that gift for the sake of the Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little2add Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 Jesus warned us that “false Christs and false prophets” will come and will attempt to deceive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ark Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 There are still many saintly souls blessed with the gift of prophecy, and they are called to steer the Church and people in general in the right direction. Visionaries of Fatima served the same purpose that many prophets in the OT did. As regard to the late Cardinal, I think he was speaking more from a logical analysis that a gift of prophecy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriela Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 Someone please tell me about what we mean by this modern "prophecy", i.e., "the gift". Can someone give examples of how this might manifest in a person? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little2add Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Someone please tell me about what we mean by this modern "prophecy", i.e., "the gift". Can someone give examples of how this might manifest in a person? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little2add Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 How about someone like Mother Teresa of Calcutta? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriela Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 How about someone like Mother Teresa of Calcutta? For example... what about her? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veritasluxmea Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 No, not Mother Teresa. Saint Faustina. She was picked specifically by God, to give a message directly given by God, specifically for these times. Anyone who was 1) directly (visions, maybe even dreams) 2) given a message by God (or Mary) 3) specifically for the people in these times (example, message of divine mercy, Fatima's call to repentance and prayer) is a prophet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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