Sex in Heaven?

[KnightofChrist]

Well I think gender exists as its own reality beyond the purpose of procreation. "Male and female He created them." It seems to be a primary rather than secondary aspect of our human nature.

​Yes, that's what came to mind before my last post. He did create them male and female but from the beginning He did create them with the purpose and intent that the two be married and multiply. That purpose will not exist in the New Heaven and New Earth.

Mark 10:6-9 But from the beginning of the creation, God made them male and female. For this cause a man shall leave his father and mother; and shall cleave to his wife. And they two shall be in one flesh. Therefore now they are not two, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

[Guest]

Heaven as a big orgy with Jesus taking part?  I'm pretty sure that idea would get you burned at the stake in a few places.  They don't teach that in my seminary, but maybe you should check out the Anglicans.  I hear they're a rowdy bunch. 

Yea that's exactly what I said. Not. 

[Guest]

Josh, the issue you have is that your vision of heaven is Islam's vision of paradise: Unlimited fleshly desires, namely food, drink, and most importantly, sex. This has never been the Catholic/Christian understanding of heaven, and hoping for such a thing is indicative of a very immature understanding of heaven and just what it is.

So we won't eat and drink in Heaven? Jesus was lying when he said he would drink wine with his disciples in heaven?

[Guest]

And I'm sure they would of burned me at the stake back then or even now.Time will tell though they were really good at doing it to people back in the day.

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[CatherineM]

My Mom buried 4 men, and number  5 followed her six months later. That might make for some sticky situations if heaven has sex. 

[Guest]

Not sure what you mean? Buried?

[Guest]

Also I said something similar to sex. Maybe it would be as simple as a passionate kiss. I'm not inferring heaven is some porno. Or anything remotely close to that.

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[PhuturePriest]

So we won't eat and drink in Heaven? Jesus was lying when he said he would drink wine with his disciples in heaven?

​The same way Jesus lied when he said he was a vine.

Not everything in scripture should be taken literally. Such an approach has been condemned by the Church and has been the bane of every Protestant fundamentalist.

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[Guest]

​The same way Jesus lied when he said he was a vine.

Not everything in scripture should be taken literally. Such an approach has been condemned by the Church and has been the bane of every Protestant fundamentalist.

So we won't drink or eat in our resurrected bodies? Good to know.

[KnightofChrist]

“Objection 1. It would seem that they will rise again to the animal life, or in other words that they will make use of the acts of the nutritive and generative powers. For our resurrection will be conformed to Christ’s. But Christ is said to have ate after His resurrection (John 21, Luke 24). Therefore, after the resurrection men will eat, and in like manner beget.” (STh., Supplementum q.81 a.4 obj.1)

 

“I answer that, The resurrection will not be necessary to man on account of his primary perfection, which consists in the integrity of those things that belong to his nature, since man can attain to this in his present state of life by the action of natural causes; but the necessity of the resurrection regards the attainment of his ultimate perfection, which consists in his reaching his ultimate end. Consequently those natural operations which are directed to cause or preserve the primary perfection of human nature will not be in the resurrection: such are the actions of the animal life in man, the action of the elements on one another, and the movement of the heavens; wherefore all these will cease at the resurrection. And since to eat, drink, sleep, beget, pertain to the animal life, being directed to the primary perfection of nature, it follows that they will not be in the resurrection.

 

Reply Obj.1. When Christ partook of that meal, His eating was an act, not of necessity as though human nature needed food after the resurrection, but of power, so as to prove that He had resumed the true human nature which He had in that state wherein He ate and drank with His disciples. There will be no need of such proof at the general resurrection, since it will be evident to all. Hence Christ is said to have ate by dispensation in the sense in which lawyers say that a dispensation is a relaxation of the general law: because Christ made an exception to that which is common to those who rise again (namely not to partake of food) for the aforesaid motive. Hence the argument does not prove.” (STh., Supplementum q.81 a.4 resp.–ad.1)

 

Source:http://nativecatholic.blogspot.com/2013/06/will-we-need-to-eat-food-after.html?m=1

[Ark]

 

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[Maggyie]

Josh I totally understand you. This is where sometimes the Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons luck out for lack of a better word. Their version of Heaven is more... Human. With marriage and pets and everyone hanging out.  

For orthodox Christianity our heaven can sometimes seem very controlled and strangely cold. Like our hearts will be removed and replaced with perfect, robotic worship-all-the-time hearts. It reminds me of how in religious life some orders make a big deal about not having "particular friendships." Not just avoiding cliques, but being detached from everybody and everything...

and that's the rub, detachment is what is so repellant, as humans we are made to attach to each other. ultimately we are just going to be attached to God and nothing else. Impossible to comprehend how that could be great where we are now. You just have to take Gods word for it that it will be good  

 

[BarbTherese]

@‌Maggyie  : "You just have to take Gods word for it that it will be good "

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[Guest]

@‌Maggyie  : "You just have to take Gods word for it that it will be good "

You really have no idea what heaven will be like when we have bodies again. Not even talking about sex. Just saying you have no idea if we will be able to play a game of basketball or have a glass of wine or get to know other humans there and form friendships. Again not even talking about sex. Just saying there may be aspects of Heaven that are very human.

[Guest]

Josh I totally understand you. This is where sometimes the Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons luck out for lack of a better word. Their version of Heaven is more... Human. With marriage and pets and everyone hanging out.  

For orthodox Christianity our heaven can sometimes seem very controlled and strangely cold. Like our hearts will be removed and replaced with perfect, robotic worship-all-the-time hearts. It reminds me of how in religious life some orders make a big deal about not having "particular friendships." Not just avoiding cliques, but being detached from everybody and everything...

and that's the rub, detachment is what is so repellant, as humans we are made to attach to each other. ultimately we are just going to be attached to God and nothing else. Impossible to comprehend how that could be great where we are now. You just have to take Gods word for it that it will be good  

 

Good stuff. God bless!

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