P3chrmd Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 I quote the 2004 Catholic Almanac and its entry on the Charismatic Renewal: [quote]A movement which originated with a handful of Duquesne University students and faculty members in the 1966 67 academic year and spread from there to Notre Dame, Michigan State University, the University of Michigan, other campuses and cities throughout the U.S., and to well over 125 other countries. Scriptural keys to the renewal are: Christ’s promise to send the Holy Spirit upon the Apostles; the description, in the Acts of the Apostles, of the effects of the coming of the Holy Spirit upon the Apostles on Pentecost; St. Paul’s explanation, in the Letter to the Romans and 1 Corinthians, of the charismatic gifts (for the good of the Church and persons) the Holy Spirit would bestow on Christians; New Testament evidence concerning the effects of charismatic gifts in and through the early Church. The personal key to the renewal is baptism in the Holy Spirit. This is not a new sacrament but the personally experienced actualization of grace already sacramentally received, principally in baptism and confirmation. The experience of baptism in the Holy Spirit is often accompanied by the reception of one or more charismatic gifts. A characteristic form of the renewal is the weekly prayer meeting, a gathering that includes periods of spontaneous prayer, singing, sharing of experience and testimony, fellowship and teaching[/quote] Nothing in that statement says...the charismatic movement in the catholic church is evil or wrong!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p0lar_bear Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 Umm...I support the charismatic renewal, and I think the Catholic Almanac is a useful resource, but I wouldn't quote it as the final authority on the matter... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3chrmd Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 yea i guess your right...but I was runnin out of resources here...LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p0lar_bear Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 :haha: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 [quote name='Jake Huether' date='Jun 14 2004, 09:49 AM'] Charisms are gifts. And the Charismatic movement began in order to get people to realize that the Spirit is in the Church and has gifts to give. It is a movement for those people who need to be taught about how to recieve these gifts, although many here at the Phorum already have them and use them. As with all things there are abuses. But the Charismatic movement, at it's root, is only a movement to get us back to where the Apostles began. Within the context of Catholic Teaching, this is a great thing. [/quote] If I may, how do you feel about the movement as it is today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yiannii Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 (edited) [quote]Yianni, I never said these quotes were specifically regarding the gift of tongues. I quoted them to demonstrate the Holy Father's support of the charismatic renewal. The gift of tongues (and prayer tongues) are considered to be normal parts of the charismatic renewal.[/quote] Sorry if I offended you p0lar_bear. From the quotes I read that you provided, I didn't agree that the Holy Father was referring to the Charasmatic renewal, rather the gifts of ther Holy Spirit which are defined as: [b]Wisdom[/b] - to dwell with pleasure on the beauty and Majesty Infinity of God. [b]Understanding[/b] - to grasp and hold in our mind all the great truths presented to us by the Catholic Church. [b]Counsel[/b] - to show good sense by keeping away from bad company, dangerous occasions and everything that might put our spiritual life at risk. [b]Fortitude[/b] - to be true to our Faith and to profess it boldly. [b]Knowledge[/b] - to see the hand of God in the happenings of the world and to see His likeness in all created things. [b]Piety/Godleness[/b] - to serve God with joy, to say our prayers, to receive the Sacraments, to join with devotion in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, to look on God as our Father, and on all people as our bothers and sisters. [b]Fear of the Lord[/b] - to think about the great disaster of loosing God's love, and of being seperated from Him for all eternity. Edited June 16, 2004 by yiannii Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Huether Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 [quote name='qfnol31' date='Jun 15 2004, 11:05 PM'] If I may, how do you feel about the movement as it is today? [/quote] I think the renewal is wonderful. Of course, I'm in one circle. My parents, who are involved in the renewal, only associate with orthodox Catholics who respect the Teachings of the Church in their fullness. So, I don't really have any connection to any "groups" that may be on the fringe (so to speak). Like I said, there most certainly are abuses, even today. But the renewal is a benefit to anyone who would use it in accordance and in conjunction with the Teachings of the Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p0lar_bear Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 How did this thread get resurrected without any new posts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 [quote name='p0lar_bear' date='Jun 21 2004, 01:39 PM'] How did this thread get resurrected without any new posts? [/quote] Jake's reply to my question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p0lar_bear Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 His post didn't show up when I first looked at this...I even went back to the table and came back.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 LoL, maybe someone just voted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 (edited) Jake has it right on the money -- it's a good thing, but all good things can be abused. At the same time, however, I'd be interested to see just how widespread such abuses are. Edited June 21, 2004 by Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnanc Posted June 26, 2004 Share Posted June 26, 2004 I know little about it, but I think it is a sign of growth within the Church, although yes it may be abused by some, but it also has the potential and probably has been a great good in many ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yiannii Posted June 27, 2004 Share Posted June 27, 2004 Aren't a lot of the charismatic songs Protestant? We need funky catholic songs, while sounding cool, having deep theology in the words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 [quote name='yiannii' date='Jun 26 2004, 09:07 PM'] Aren't a lot of the charismatic songs Protestant? [/quote] Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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