Lay People With Pectoral Cross? Annoying?

[Basilisa Marie]

​Are you in spain? no? then it is not part of your tradition.

De Trinitate talks about the sacred and the trinity -  not the veiling or dress of women. Try reading Tertullian, On the Apparel of Women. It was always a matter of modesty not of 'women are sacred so must be veiled.

 

With the exception of the velatio virginum - the taking of the veil by nuns etc.

The 1917 Code of Canon Law also equates the tradition of women veiling with modesty - we know this because the canon which talks about women covering their head in church is the same one which requires men and women to sit separately in church

 

I see girls fighting over who wants to wear the pretty lacy mantilla cap and thiking of all kinds of traditional/pious sounding justifications, but not so much for men and women sitting separately in church. Both are tradition.

 

Seems to me that they do not understand the origins of the tradition of headcovering and shun the modesty which comes with that tradition.

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You're wrong about the De Trinitate citation. Book 12 chapter 7 talks about humans being created in the image of God, the differences between men and women, and Augustine does some exegesis on the passages in Paul about head coverings.  Here's a link for you (in fairness, I'm doing my Master's capstone paper on that chapter, so... yeah.)  Like I said, chapter seven in that link. I'd quote it but most people would skip over it. I invite you to read it though, it's a really beautiful passage. 

The 1917 code of canon law is no longer binding at all, so, there's that. Canon 6 abrogates (repeals) the 1917 code. 

I see boys complaining about women wearing pretty lace on their heads and thinking all kinds of traditional/pious sounding justifications, but not so much for custody of the eyes and charitable hearts. See, I can do it too.  

Look, it'd be one thing if you sounded like you were willing to learn about the real reasons why women veil, but it sounds like you're more interested in trying to tell them that they're sinful and arguing that you're right. I don't even veil and I'm a bit offended by your methods. 

[IgnatiusofLoyola]

I just read CatherineM's thread about her son being attacked, and then I go to a thread that questions womens' motives in wearing a mantilla to Mass. <shakes my head> In the greater scheme of things, whether a woman wears a mantilla to Mass, and her motives for doing so, is such a small thing.

Wearing a mantilla to Mass has not been an uncommon practice in the U.S. for at least my lifetime, and likely before that. Whether the custom originated in Spain or not is irrelevant. For those of us who live in the U.S., virtually all of the customs/practices in the Mass originated in a country other than the U.S.

In the end, the practice of wearing a mantilla--whether it is a large one or a small circle of lace--seems like a very small matter compared to the life of radical love/charity to which Jesus called us, and in which we all fall very short. Particularly during Lent, it feels to me as if we should be focusing on much bigger issues. I see much more important problems in the world for us to be focusing on and praying about.