Not The Philosopher Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Ultimately, this discussion will be fruitless. Anyone who asks for some empathy or understanding of the part of the homosexual you want to question, is called emotional. Unable to reason. Illogical. Until acknowledgment is made, nothing will progress. Everyone will continue to talk past each other, hoping upon hope that eventually the other will listen. Let me say this: WE HEAR YOU. I HEAR YOU. I understand that you think my proximity to the situation is impacting my ability to stay rational, reasonable, and logical. That's your opinion. But your opinion of the feelings I have about the topic at hand change nothing about the facts surrounding it. It does nothing to give your uninformed arguments merit, or to strengthen your image in Christ. Hasan and Beatitude specifically (who, for the record, are not close friends of mine) have both made beautiful points in response. Perhaps you want to respond to those perfectly calm, well-thought-out posts before you decide that everyone is just an emotional wet rag, unable to have any kind of civilized discussion without devolving into a puddle of pitiful tears? Well, ok. I don't think that the passing comments I've made in this thread amount to much of an argument one way or the other, but if you think I've spoken out of ignorance, I'd like to know where and how. I can't learn where you're coming from otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franciscanheart Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Well, ok. I don't think that the passing comments I've made in this thread amount to much of an argument one way or the other, but if you think I've spoken out of ignorance, I'd like to know where and how. I can't learn where you're coming from otherwise.Sorry, that was more of a collective you than a direct one. Mea culpa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franciscanheart Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 As an aside, the host is a loud nose-breather in that radio show and it drives me batty. MOVE AWAY FROM THE MIC. :wacko: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Just to add, compare "being gay" today with ancient Greek and Roman homosexuality, which didn't have the same economic and social dynamic. Care to explain what the differences are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Might Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Care to explain what the differences are? I'm no expert in the subject, but as I understand it, ancient homosexuality had a large element of pedagogy to it, a teacher-student dynamic between older men and younger men. And sexual attraction could be just that, without the need to justify it by integration into a social institution like marriage, which was not the romantic fantasy it is today anyway. And certainly, it wasn't operating around the assumptions of the modern family, it wasn't about two men or two women staking out a middle class life in imitation of their neighbors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossCuT Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 (edited) I get where Nihil is coming from. I too express a desire to discuss these topics because they dont make any effing sense to me. But I also realize that these are very personal things and maybe it simply cant be done? Or it can if there is enough sensitivity? But not everyone will be as sensitive to the same thing and how do we know where the limits are unless we attempt? I dunno. I did sense a very cold disconnect in your manner Nihil...however I dont believe it is deliberate. I think are are looking at these things in a very analytically way and I will admit, I look at them similarly. Well, at least I look at them that way when Im trying to make sense of all the Catholic views, rules, and what not surrounding homosexuality. I feel like we kind of have to cut through the emotional part and figure out what the heck the church is even saying about all of this...then once we have our base established we can add the rest back on top. Is that cold? Im not trying to be cold. I just want to get it. The Catholic view of this whole thing is so nonsensical to me...especially when it comes down to real life practice. Catholics smell of elderberries at it. They are terrible towards the homosexual community and I just dont get it. Maybe with how things are on phatmass, I wont get answers here as most of us are too tapped out at this point. We no longer have patience for one another. Edited January 28, 2015 by CrossCuT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossCuT Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 P.S. While I do like looking at things analytically, I think you all know me well enough to realize I am also extremely emotionally invested in these topics so I dont view myself as being cold when I choose to analyze it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franciscanheart Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 The interview between this man and Eve may be a good starting point for questions to ask and points to discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossCuT Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 (edited) Well good cause thats what we were already doing was it not? At least back on pages 1 and 2 Edited January 28, 2015 by CrossCuT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franciscanheart Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 :idontknow: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 I think that sometimes, when someone has an axe to grind, it's because he's worried about what he might want to grind his axe against. Like maybe another axe instead of a grindstone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossCuT Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Which is why fresh faces are always a good thing; we tend to get tired of ourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChristianGirlForever Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 (edited) Should or should not a Catholic consider "gay" to constitute part of their identity as a human being? If I have missed an answer to this in our thread please direct me to it. No, they should not. People are so much more complex and interesting than who they find attractive. Unless a woman is hitting on me or acting militantly, I don't care if she likes girls or not. The same goes for a man who likes men. Someone who has a mental illness does not act as though the mental illness is "who they are," and people with ssa should not, either. This entire issue has turned very political, when it should be psychiatric and spiritual only. Edited January 29, 2015 by ChristianGirlForever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superblue Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 I know someone needs a snuggle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franciscanheart Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 No, they should not. People are so much more complex and interesting than who they find attractive. Unless a woman is hitting on me or acting militantly, I don't care if she likes girls or not. The same goes for a man who likes men. Someone who has a mental illness does not act as though the mental illness is "who they are," and people with ssa should not, either. This entire issue has turned very political, when it should be psychiatric and spiritual only. I'm sorry but... Psychiatric? Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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