veritasluxmea Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Took less than three pages and I don't even know where this thread has gone and i'm the one arguing in it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 And I would very much like to remind you that we are to speak charitably of others, and saying Michael Voris is close to Satan because he exposed how anti-life many pro-lifers are is anything but charitable. Dare I say even a sin. wat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisa Marie Posted January 15, 2015 Author Share Posted January 15, 2015 I must ask: Who in your eyes is closer to Satan: Matt Walsh, or Michael Voris? I see nothing wrong with pointing out that supposedly "pro-life" people are in favor of stopping life from happening. I don't see the need for the outrage. And I would very much like to remind you that we are to speak charitably of others, and saying Michael Voris is close to Satan because he exposed how anti-life many pro-lifers are is anything but charitable. Dare I say even a sin. Oh, I see. So you were trying to get me to sin. Which means if I had actually answered your question, that would make you an accessory to that sin, if "saying" that person is "close to Satan" is a sin like you dare to say it is. Thanks, friend. Really appreciate that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Oh, I see. So you were trying to get me to sin. Which means if I had actually answered your question, that would make you an accessory to that sin, if "saying" that person is "close to Satan" is a sin like you dare to say it is. Thanks, friend. Really appreciate that. No, I was being sarcastic because I find your treatment of both Matt Walsh and Michael Voris to be over-the-top and uncharitable. I was trying to make a point through sarcasm. I knew you wouldn't actually answer it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 I don't like Mark Shea. I think his positions are almost always wrong, and I don't like his style or tone. I feel he's too nice and tries to walk around the issue instead of just saying what it is. That doesn't mean I don't appreciate that he has brought a sizable amount of people to the Church, and that many people like his tone. Just because I don't like his tone, that doesn't mean I believe he does nothing good for the Church, and I don't hate him with a passion as a result. I don't begin seething and foaming at the mouth whenever someone on Phatmass mentions his name. The issue is, many of you begin seething and foaming at the mouth whenever Michael Voris is mentioned simply because you don't like his tone, and because of his tone you have grown to hate other things about him simply because of who he is. You neglect the fact that he has through both ChurchMilitant.TV and in his personal life converted many people to the Faith, including me. You forget (Or at least never bothered to learn) that he left a job where he was making half a million dollars a year to start an apostolate that is so expensive to run he barely breaks even. Your blind vehemence towards him has made you forget that, tone aside, he is a son of the same Church as you, and he is merely doing his best to try and bring as many people to the fullness of the Church as possible. He does what he does out of love, not out of hatred. And that is the issue I take with you and others on here who act like Michael Voris is Satan incarnate, and though I have no ties to Matt Walsh, it saddens me that your outlook on Voris extents to Walsh as well. It's uncharitable. Michael Voris and Matt Walsh are your brothers in Christ. We don't always like our family members or get along with them, but they are our family members nonetheless. People have different personalities and respond to different tones. I and many others respond very effectively to Michael Voris' blunt and straightforward tone, and we feel it is a breath of fresh air in this culture of tip-toeing around the issues. You don't like his tone. That's fine. Follow someone else. But that doesn't mean you get to brand Michael Voris as a terrible Catholic just because you don't happen to be one of the people that likes his tone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 wta... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Matt Walsh might finally have written a decent article. And sewer rat might taste like pumpkin pie... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Matt Walsh might finally have written a decent article. And sewer rat might taste like pumpkin pie... Pork chops taste good. Bacon tastes good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 And I would very much like to remind you that we are to speak charitably of others, and saying Michael Voris is close to Satan because he exposed how anti-life many pro-lifers are is anything but charitable. Dare I say even a sin. In fairness, why would you ask whether or not one of two people were closer to Satan in the first place? It's not charitable to bait someone with a loaded question like that, unless it was referencing a running joke that I wasn't aware of. (?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 In fairness, why would you ask whether or not one of two people were closer to Satan in the first place? It's not charitable to bait someone with a loaded question like that, unless it was referencing a running joke that I wasn't aware of. (?) I was sarcastically making a point that she always talks about Michael Voris and Matt Walsh as if they are Satan incarnate, so I was pointing it out with a ludicrous question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 :unsure: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 This really isn't rocket science. Others seemed to know exactly what I meant, so I'm not sure why there is confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 This really isn't rocket science. Others seemed to know exactly what I meant, so I'm not sure why there is confusion. I am confused because I didn't see anyone referring to either of the two men as being Satan incarnate. I just didn't think it fair for you to try to fight people's perceived over-the-top commentary with sarcastic questions about comparisons to Satan and accusing someone of sinning. It doesn't come across as any more reasonable or charitable than what you're calling them out on. I don't mean to get up in your grill, I just think we should be careful about carelessly throwing around comparisons to Satan, even if just in jest. It's phrasing that shouldn't be used lightly. Peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 I don't like Mark Shea either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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