Homosexual Catholic Irish Priest,

[superblue]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/12/irish-priest-gay_n_6457808.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

 

 

Now granted this is a link from the huffington post, now unless the huffington post is a blatant hoax source, meaning all they do is post purposeful lies and they have been documented as blatant liars, then I am at least assuming there is some sort of truth to the story, meaning that it was not fabricated out of thin air.   The part I take as truthful is the possibility that , that this Irish priest did make a public statement regarding his sexual orientation and also made a comment supporting gay marriage..

 

now the only people who know if there was a round of applause or not are the people who were actually there.

 

 

 

Ireland is preparing to hold a referendum on legalizing gay marriage in May. According to a 2011 census, Catholics made up 84.2 percent of Ireland’s population. Although the Catholic Church does not favor same-sex marriage, an Irish Times/Ipsos MRBI poll found that 71 percent of the electorate was willing to vote to approve marriage equality this spring.

 

“Fr. Dolan’s support will undoubtedly give a boost to a positive outcome in the referendum,” Hyland said. “It signals to people that despite what the hierarchy of the Church wills, regular Church goers can vote yes and know they join thousands of others in good conscience in doing so.

“Fr. Dolan’s move reminds people that many LGBT people have a deep faith and are an equal part of the Church and should be valued as such,” Hyland added

 

The bolded part, is a disingenuous statement, it leads people to believe that homosexual acts / life style, and wanting to be married with in the church is also " equal "  or it suggests that because the LGBT community has a belief and deep faith in Christ and the Church, that in turn means that  the church should just look the other way on everything else.

 

the other parts of this quote I am uncertain of and was wondering can anyone elaborate, what is this electorate that is being spoken about,   more over, 

 

I would have to ask why should any clergy " come out " is it supposed to be this big shocking AH HA SEE I AM GAY,  so that means everyone needs to change their minds on homosexuality as being a sin...

 

 

If Fr. Dolan is an actual catholic Priest,  I would really pick his brain for doing what he did.

 

 

More over if any of this is true, if this is not bs, when does the Vatican ever reply to such things being published ??? or better yet how do we as catholics find official responses to such reports ?

[veritasluxmea]

I've seen this making the rounds. I'm pretty sure he's a real priest. He'll probably get a slap on the wrist, shuffled to a new parish, if that. Of course LGBTQ "marriage" supporters are happy about it, and people who don't support gay marriage aren't, and a bunch of people will be all "I support gay people but not gay marriage so *technically* what he's saying isn't bad." What's new?

 

I bet this turns into a never-ending gay debate thread. 

[PhuturePriest]

I've seen this making the rounds. I'm pretty sure he's a real priest. He'll probably get a slap on the wrist, shuffled to a new parish, if that. Of course LGBTQ "marriage" supporters are happy about it, and people who don't support gay marriage aren't, and a bunch of people will be all "I support gay people but not gay marriage so *technically* what he's saying isn't bad." What's new?

 

I bet this turns into a never-ending gay debate thread. 

 

Unfortunately, no. Nothing as glorious as that thread will ever come into existence again. 'Tis our cross to bear in life.

[franciscanheart]

A few things:

1. I think this is in the wrong board. You've not given any clear debate topic and are really just asking questions.

2. Regarding this bit:

The bolded part, is a disingenuous statement, it leads people to believe that homosexual acts / life style, and wanting to be married with in the church is also " equal "  or it suggests that because the LGBT community has a belief and deep faith in Christ and the Church, that in turn means that  the church should just look the other way on everything else.

The quote itself is not actually contrary to truth. Many LGBT people do have a deep faith and are an equal part of the Church and should be valued as such. What is your issue with that, exactly, if any?

I would have to ask why should any clergy " come out " is it supposed to be this big shocking AH HA SEE I AM GAY,  so that means everyone needs to change their minds on homosexuality as being a sin...

Emphasis mine, obviously. Homosexuality isn't a sin. Just want to be clear.

[Ash Wednesday]

I'll keep this on Open Mic for now because it isn't yet a debate and you may get more answers to the questions...

 

Buuuuuuut I fully expect we'll be back. :|

[Winchester]

I want to nuke it.

[Winchester]

That puts the middle ground firmly in moving it to the lame board.

 

I motion for a vote...

[franciscanheart]

:banned:

[Winchester]

"Two is a quorum," as DuS+ says.

 

 

[superblue]

A few things:

1. I think this is in the wrong board. You've not given any clear debate topic and are really just asking questions.

2. Regarding this bit:
The quote itself is not actually contrary to truth. Many LGBT people do have a deep faith and are an equal part of the Church and should be valued as such. What is your issue with that, exactly, if any?

Emphasis mine, obviously. Homosexuality isn't a sin. Just want to be clear.

yeah I don't know where to post things sometimes I was asking questions,

 

 

 

I  had to relook at the quotes, the part I was referencing was Fr. Dolan on LGBT having faith,   that part, of what he said is a no brainer, so I think what I was asking is why even bring it up, it would be like saying birds fly in the sky that was the only real issue I had with it,

 

And maybe homosexuality isn't a sin, I was under the impression it was, from what I can gather out of the Catechist, but then from what I read it seems to just label homosexuality as a " disorder " and to simply live like everyone else who is not married and that is in a chaste life.

 

I really did not want to start a debate on homosexuality  I mean the topic is worth debating to some people, I am past it, personally I have a very very hard time honestly coming to a solid understand or conclusion as to my stance on it any more, all I know is that I am a heterosexual and I don't want to be homosexual.

 

so hope the clears something up

[superblue]

does anyone see the purpose behind this priest " coming out " and saying the things that he has said, does anyone see this move as trying to be more welcoming to the homosexual community, or is it coming off more as a stunt or personal motives ?

[Immanuel]

I just don't believe it :coffee:

[franciscanheart]

A stunt? :blink:

Homosexuality is not sinful. Homosexual acts are. No need for debate; it's been very clearly defined for us.

[ChristianGirlForever]

I have to say I'm pretty bored with everyone and their Aunt Lillian declaring their homosexuality for all the world to hear. Why can't people keep things private anymore? Have a little dignity, please.

[franciscanheart]

I have to say I'm pretty bored with everyone and their Aunt Lillian declaring their homosexuality for all the world to hear. Why can't people keep things private anymore? Have a little dignity, please.

Because your discomfort isn't their problem. People are not obligated to bear the weight of their crosses quietly and without support simply because you or anyone else don't care to listen or empathize with their struggle.

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