Guest Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 That's avoiding the question. Do you believe the god depicted in islam and the koran is the Christian God? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilllabettt Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 So you believe allah out of the koran is God? I believe the God of the New Testament is not pleased when those who claim to love Him make themselves ridiculous. Mocking an ancient religious tradition, claiming all kinds of things about what it teaches without having cracked a book on the subject ... You bring Christians in for scorn by behaving that way. There are people in the world who would screen cap this thread and spread it around as further evidence that "religious" is synonymous with "ignorant." and how cruel to act this way in the current atmosphere, right after the attack in France. Think of all the Muslims in this country who have to suffer glowering looks and prejudice and persecution because of their sincere religious beliefs. A devout Muslim who perseveres in the faith they sincerely believe to be true, in spite of persecution, has a better chance to be saved by Jesus than a Christian who engages in this sort of thing without repenting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not A Real Name Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) But your account also assumes that the goal of Christianity to take over nations, which it did, it took over the Roman Empire until its fall in the West, after which the church maintained influence because bishops were like Roman aristocrats and maintained their role in the affairs of the local kingdoms (Visigoths, Lombards, Saxons, etc.).The goal of Christianity is the salvation of souls. Nations are made up of people, and people have souls, so it is only logical to conclude that the conversion of individuals will result in the conversion of societies and nations. That early martyr-driven Christianity kind of ran out of steam...they expected Christ's imminent return, and much to the church's surprise, after 200 years, it found itself having to deal with being part of the world.While martyr-driven Christianity has run out of steam in some areas -due to lack of faith in it's members- the truth still remains that martyr-driven Christianity has always been here and has never died out. Right now the Christian martyrs in the Middle East are purchasing the conversion of its inhabitants with their blood. One day Christians in America will have the opportunity to make sacred this land by the blood of its future martyrs. No doubt, the idea of love has always been a central spiritual feature of Christianity, but it was always a malleable idea. No doubt, it was loving to burn heretics, in some formal theological sense.It has not been a malleable idea. The Faith has only had a couple of approved methods of conversion according to its Founder and His Church's doctrines, and those are: prayers, preaching, and the blood of its Martyrs. Any other methods have not been approved/sanctioned by its Founder or His Church's Doctrine. Edited January 12, 2015 by Not A Real Name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 So the koran doesn't say to murder those who won't convert and murder those who are apostate? Come on show me the TRUE islam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilllabettt Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 So the koran doesn't say to murder those who won't convert and murder those who are apostate? Come on show me the TRUE islam. you know Josh, if I tell you, its another thing 2nd hand from someone on the internet. Presumably you can read, since you are posting on a threat. So go down to your public library and ask the librarian to help find you a copy of the Quran in translation. Devout Muslims traditionally do not recognize translations as divinely inspired; only the original Arabic is the "real" Quran. But in this case I think most Muslims would be overjoyed if you would be willing to read any primary source material about their religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Might Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 The goal of Christianity is the salvation of souls. Nations are made up of people, and people have souls, so it is only logical to conclude that the conversion of individuals will result in the conversion of societies and nations. Ok, but in that case Christianity is nothing new or unique. It will always be corrupted as a kingdom of this world. "The corruption of the best is the worst." You can use the word "conversion" but essentially what that means, in the real world, is empire, a vast Christian empire that must be maintained with blood, war, slavery, inquisition, and all the other things we have seen throughout Christian (or rather, human) history. Islam, at least, doesn't pretend to be entirely other-worldly, it was a theocratic movement, as was Judaism in the Old Testament. The idea of "converting" a nation is a pious notion that will never amount to anything but ideology, a way to sell a particular religion to a people and use it to prop up the ministers of that religion (and those they approve) in power (as we saw in Christendom). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 People are fed up with radical islam and all these murders. Sorry I don't share the same o poor muslims sentiments that you do. They are killing everyone and have no plans of stopping. Sorry I don't see the beauty in this ideology and madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) Era Might I see Jesus as purely spiritual. It's not about all this other stuff. It's about him forgiving my sin and making me the righteousness of God despite my flaws. All this other political stuff I don't care about. That's not who or what Jesus is to me. Edited January 12, 2015 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Ok islam supporters do you belive islam is divinely inspired? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilllabettt Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Ok islam supporters do you belive islam is divinely inspired? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Might Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Era Might I see Jesus as purely spiritual. It's not about all this other stuff. It's about him forgiving my sin and making me the righteousness of God despite my flaws. All this other political stuff I don't care about. That's not who or what Jesus is to me. Ok, but in that case, why get angry? You've already overcome the world, just love your enemies, live your life the best you can, and find ways to build up rather than tear down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Ok, but in that case, why get angry? You've already overcome the world, just love your enemies, live your life the best you can, and find ways to build up rather than tear down. Alright fair enough. Just sick of all the radical islam murders. And started this thread because the Church sort of confuses me on this topic. Did end up getting angry. Apologize for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 I like Lupe Fiasco. He's Muslim. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarbTherese Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 That's avoiding the question. Do you believe the god depicted in islam and the koran is the Christian God? Can I change something through what I believe about it? Or does it remain the same despite what I believe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) I find it interesting only 1 person answered my question if God works through islam. And if someone like bin laden could of been doing "the will of god" Obviously the answer is no but honestly don't know what some supporter may think. Edited January 13, 2015 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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