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beatitude Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 You don't seem to understand what people are trying to say to you. Recognising that Muslims worship the God of Abraham does not mean that we are 'in love' with the Quran or 'big religion' (I'm not too sure what that's supposed to be). I hesitated before replying to this thread as you've made lots of threads on Islam now, and all of them tend to take the same form - lots of declarations of how evil it is and lots of memes, followed by increasing anger as people won't agree with everything you post. I don't think it's possible to have a reasonable discussion with someone whose main source of information seems to be anti-Muslim cartoons and memes from the Internet. (I would be unlikely to give much time to a poster who used similar things as their primary sources on Catholicism.) You obviously spend quite a long time looking at these memes and you accept them uncritically. Do you honestly think this is a good use of your time? This time you've even included one that urges people to kill themselves. Jesus taught us, "Love your enemies and pray for people who persecute you", not, "Make spiteful angry comments about how they should commit suicide." You can't control other people's religious beliefs - maybe they will make good and holy choices in life, maybe they won't - but you can keep watch over your own, and I think when you get to the point where you're posting "Kill yourselves" memes, you need to take a step back and calm down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Not A Real Name Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 But Jesus wasn't here to build a "Jesus society."Jesus society? No. A family? Yes. Hence the go forth and baptize all nations command. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Might Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 and the koran is not a holy book Have you ever read the Koran? Just curious. I haven't. I think I'll buy it this week and read it. Part of my spiritual reading program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Might Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Jesus society? No. A family? Yes. Hence the go forth and baptize all nations command. Ok, but families don't burn heretics and kill infidels is my point. As long as religion (any religion) is part of a social plan, it will involve killing and conquest. Doesn't matter if the religion is Christianity, Islam, or anything else. If the religion is just a bunch of pious fanatics in the desert (like early Christianity), then it can be peaceful all it wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilllabettt Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Plenty of shame to pass out on this thread. How many of you have spoken two words to a devout Muslim? Read the Quran, set foot in a mosque? But you know enough about it to ridicule Islam, an ancient religious tradition which has made giant contributions to art, science, and philosophy. What would St. Francis think of you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) Have you ever read the Koran? Just curious. I haven't. I think I'll buy it this week and read it. Part of my spiritual reading program. No but seen a lot of quoted stuff from it. Can here the islam lovers now saying I've just read the wrong parts. Edited January 12, 2015 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) Agreed. Edited January 12, 2015 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Plenty of shame to pass out on this thread. How many of you have spoken two words to a devout Muslim? Read the Quran, set foot in a mosque? But you know enough about it to ridicule Islam, an ancient religious tradition which has made giant contributions to art, science, and philosophy. What would St. Francis think of you? The better question is what will allah and mohammad think of me. I'm doomed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 I will never step foot in a mosque. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarbTherese Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 How about this. I love non radical Muslims but hate islam and the koran. Is that an acceptable postion? I think that hatred can only warp the person who hates : Matthew Chapter 5 "44] But I say to you, Love your enemies: do good to them that hate you: and pray for them that persecute and calumniate you: [45] That you may be the children of your Father who is in heaven, who maketh his sun to rise upon the good, and bad, and raineth upon the just and the unjust." History reveals to us that it is hatred that creates divisions, serious divisions, wars and conflicts. And the lessons of history unlearned............?.............I don't think that beliefs and ideologies of themselves create these human disasters, it is the hatred that accompanies them wherever it occurs. I think too that if we begin to hate the Koran and radical Islam, then the terrorists have won. What happened in the terrorised restaurant in Sydney Australia with resulting deaths, led to an Australian outpouring of mutuality rather than divisions - and initially anyway, the same has happened in France. Such matters begin the defeat of terrorism. And of course, they do, because they are practising what Jesus taught - forgive your enemies. We cannot like them perhaps, but we can love them. Like and love can be polarised, diametrically opposed. It does beg the question: "What is Love?" To my mind, all the problems in myself and others, in The Church and in the world come about because we do not literally follow Jesus and His Teachings. And for those that do and proclaim what Jesus taught, very often we can be dismissed as "do gooders". In reality, however, those that would label us as such are rejecting Jesus and His Teachings. We either embrace all He said and did or we reject them, or perhaps worse become selective about them. Following Jesus and His Teachings is not easy, it is a tremendous challenge in which we often fail, or at least I do. Jesus knew this and before He died gave us the Sacrament of Reconciliation............what more could we ask in the face of all He said, did and taught. A guarantee of forgiveness and His Forgetting to boot - a return to that state as if we had never failed in the first place. We are then truly able to set out again on the path of following Jesus without the burden of our past, without our "coming from a somewhere" being warped, but rather mystically, "our somewhere" is healed and renewed, made new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilllabettt Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 I will never step foot in a mosque. Why? Afraid your faith will break like cheap china? Have you ever stepped foot in a strip club or a bar with the intention of drinking to oblivion? Have you ever stepped foot in a movie theater to watch some obscene dreck that now passes for mainstream entertainment? My guess is yes. You have willingly entered a den of sin and iniquity, but you are disgusted by the idea that you would ever enter a monotheistic religious house. No stepping in a Synagogue for you either, I suppose, or heaven forbid a Buddhist or Hindu temple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) So following Jesus and His teachings is concluding the god of the koran and islam is the God of Christians? If this truly is the case then.....I wont even go there... Edited January 12, 2015 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not A Real Name Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) Ok, but families don't burn heretics and kill infidels is my point. As long as religion (any religion) is part of a social plan, it will involve killing and conquest. Doesn't matter if the religion is Christianity, Islam, or anything else. If the religion is just a bunch of pious fanatics in the desert (like early Christianity), then it can be peaceful all it wants. Your assessment is not entirely accurate. Yes there will be killing involved but not in the way you mention. The founder of Christianity was murdered and so were the rest of those who followed Him for a long long time. Christianity originally won countries by the blood of its martyrs and not those of rival religions. They did not kill for God, they rather died and offered their lives as an act of love both to God and for those they hoped to convert. This has always been one of Christianity's greatest powers: the power of love. It is the very message of Christ who said; no greater love than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. No religion is like this. The Christians greatest gift after the Mass, is the power to offer their lives for the conversion of their neighbor. The first martyr of the Church St. Stephen understood this and If I die by a Muslim then before I do (with God' grace) I will offer my death up as a sacrifice to God to purchase the conversion of my Muslim persecutor. Edited January 12, 2015 by Not A Real Name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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