Guest Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 So do people in this thread think God is working through Islam? Could someone like Bin Laden been inspired by God? Is this what some of you believe? anybody? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 That's not my problem. All my aa friends I sat with everyday believe in God and don't step foot in a church. I don't question their relationship with God. They also don't have the edition of the big book that says to murder whoever won't covert and take over the world. If they did I would have the same objections with their "religion". You don't consider those to be flaws? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 No Josh, I do not think God works through Islam as such. God's work within the Muslim religion would be giving the graces necessary to leave Islam and embrace the Catholic Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 You don't consider those to be flaws? Being an alcoholic and not going to Church? Sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 What's that have to to with Islam? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veritasluxmea Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 This reminds me of the service dog I raised in High School. For almost two years I put a lot of work, time, and energy into that puppy. Potty training, leash training, destructive chewing, public behavior and manners... A lot of blood, sweat, tears, and laughs. Anyway, the puppy went back to the program and ended up passing and becoming a service dog to a women in a wheelchair. She's Muslim, wears a hijab and everything. We keep in contact, she came to my mother's funeral mass and religion has never "come between us" because I don't hold anything against her emotionally for her religion or terrorism or whatever, and she hasn't declared war on me and Catholicism or anything. So on a small-scale level, considering we live in a "religiously-free" country, it works out. I'm not oppressed by her religion and she isn't by mine. The Last Battle by CS Lewis was helpful to me in understanding the general relationship between individuals, Christianity, and Islam. Islam has some truths and as much as it follows that, it works out well. But it doesn't have the fullness of the truth, and where it goes wrong, it doesn't work out so well. But the same could be said of any religion. But Jesus wasn't here to build a "Jesus society." True. He was here to save people and make them into His image, and through the micro-level society would be influenced large-scale for the better. As soon as Christians set about to build a Christian society, they went to war, killed heretics, etc. That's how human society was. Christians simply had the advantage of inheriting the Roman empire, so a lot of their killing and conquest was done for them, at least initially. Later they started killing each other, when they weren't uniting to kill the infidel. Muslims set out from the Arabian peninsula and had to create their own empire, as the Greeks and Romans had done before them, and the Christians would do after them. Ah yes. Because as soon as Atheists set out the do the same thing, it worked out so well. I'm just thankful I live in America which was founded on the Christian/Dualistic notions of freedom of religion, separation of church and state, and personal rights, because our failures in those areas turn out a lot nicer than the "successes" of Muslim societies and Atheistic societies in those areas. My point is just that, yes, religion has always been a bloody affair because it wasn't a private thing, like it is today, it was connected with human society. The average Christian peasant was just along for the ride, they weren't out there making conquest, burning heretics, etc. (although they could be very violent, e.g., killing Jews). It's the same with Muslims and Islam. Muslims wake up every day, feed their kids, pray, give alms...all the same things Christians do. There is more to religion than just the killing and converting, things that don't really occupy the daily lives of ordinary Jews, Christians, or Muslims. Those are things that priests and kings worry about, because they have nothing better to do *Sighs internally* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superblue Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 No Josh, I do not think God works through Islam as such. God's work within the Muslim religion would be giving the graces necessary to leave Islam and embrace the Catholic Church. which maybe should be our real focus is how do we as Catholics bridge the gap and convert muslims to Catholicism ? Mind you though the down side with that is, say there was a big percentage that did convert and everyone is like hurrah , good times, lets celebrate, praise God, everyone is happy until, we realize what is left in Islam are the terrorists, then at that point is Islam still considered a religion, and what does society do at that point ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 which maybe should be our real focus is how do we as Catholics bridge the gap and convert muslims to Catholicism ? Mind you though the down side with that is, say there was a big percentage that did convert and everyone is like hurrah , good times, lets celebrate, praise God, everyone is happy until, we realize what is left in Islam are the terrorists, then at that point is Islam still considered a religion, and what does society do at that point ? It is a good question. How do we convert Muslims to Catholicism? How do we convert anyone to Catholicism, really? With Protestants at least we have some solid starting points. With a bit of brief reflection, I do not think it is us here in the west that can really do anything substantial in converting Muslims. Not in a direct way and on a large scale. I think that their Christian neighbours, being the ones who better understand them and can provide a material witness to Truth and Charity, will be the ones who can make better inroads. That is why it is so important for us to support the Catholic Church in Muslim regions, especially for instance the Chaldean Church, the Copts, The Assyrian Church of the East, and of course the Roman Catholics who have ended up in those areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggyie Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Josh do you know that Allah is merely the Arabic word for God. Christians in the Middle East call God Allah at Mass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) Josh do you know that Allah is merely the Arabic word for God. Christians in the Middle East call God Allah at Mass. Yes I'm aware of that. I get it. Catholics love islam and the koran. They see no problem with claims they worship the same God. islam is beautiful and though the koran says over and over to murder whoever won't convert it's really ok. Because hey who doesn't love big religion with a ton of rules and laws. Like I said earlier a lot of you see someone calling out islam as them also callig out Catholicism. The real enemey is the non denominational church who calls out religion all together and emphasizes a relationship with Christ. Forget the terrorists and ideology that is murdering everyone and wants to take over the globe and enforce their way of life on everyone else. It's the Old Testament God after all. Nothing to see here move along. Edited January 12, 2015 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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beatitude Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Yes I'm aware of that. I get it. Catholics love islam and the koran. They see no problem with claims they worship the same God. islam is beautiful and though the koran says over and over to murder whoever won't convert it's really ok. Because hey who doesn't love big religion with a ton of rules and laws. Like I said earlier a lot of you see someone calling out islam as them also callig out Catholicism. The real enemey is the non denominational church who calls out religion all together and emphasizes a relationship with Christ. Forget the terrorists and ideology that is murdering everyone and wants to take over the globe and enforce their way of life on everyone else. It's the Old Testament God after all. Nothing to see here move along. You don't get it. Firstly, you seem to be struggling with the very idea of scriptural interpretation and exegesis, which has implications for how you read your own holy book, never mind anyone else's. Secondly, no one here has ever said non-denominational churches are the enemy (and non-denom churches don't call out religion altogether - they still follow one). Even in non-denom churches, you would find people who disagree with you, people whose views alarm and upset you. What are you going to do then? Decide that you alone are the holy one and go to live on an island where you won't be agitated by other people and what you see as their wicked ideas? Jesus gave us a church because we need each other. We need community. When he began his public ministry, the first thing he did was get baptised, and we see that community forming on the banks of the Jordan. There were no doubt people standing in line with him who were terrible sinners. Jesus didn't leave the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 I'm not leaving just saying a lot of you are in love with islam and the koran. And love the idea of big religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 and the koran is not a holy book Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) So our God allah considered mohammad to be the ideal man....Nice to know...Hopefully Jesus was a close runner up... Edited January 12, 2015 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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