Maggyie Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 http://theaquilareport.com/hospital-for-sinners/ Jakob Dylan, front man of The Wallflowers penned these words in a song entitled, “Hospital for Sinners" Jakob always seems so much like his dad, I always heard they don't get along but I've been informed by my husband I'm wrong about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggyie Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 I will have to disagree with you there. Scriptures and Tradition are clear that there is a hierarchy of virtues and as an extension of that there is a hierarchy of importance. I know I know, funny thing is everybody seems to be working off a different memo. Where can I get a copy of this divinely inspired list, 1234 do it in this order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) I know I know, funny thing is everybody seems to be working off a different memo. Where can I get a copy of this divinely inspired list, 1234 do it in this order.Well the starting point might be here.http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=53&ch=13&l=13#x Along with Christ repeating the traditional order: thou shall love the Lord thy God and thy neighbor as thyself. Edited January 12, 2015 by Nihil Obstat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggyie Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 Right, and let's not be obtuse, those are the same verses lefties use to proof text the opposite. Where's the directions. I believe in evangelium vitae it states the right to life is foundational however critically it does NOT say the other problems are less important. In fact you will probably never see a pope hold forth in that manner because to paraphrase myself, the Christian life is not a pie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarbTherese Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Jakob always seems so much like his dad, I always heard they don't get along but I've been informed by my husband I'm wrong about that. Jakob looks a lot like his Dad, Bob Dylan. And if Jakob wrote the lyrics I quoted, then he writes a lot like his Dad too. The lyrics of Bob Dylan very often were a learning curve for me. One turning point in my life was Bob Dylan's lyrics in "Maggies Farm": I ain’t gonna work on Maggie’s farm no more No, I ain’t gonna work on Maggie’s farm no more Well, I try my best To be just like I am But everybody wants you To be just like them Maggies Farm for me became my culture and society very often and The Gospel counter cultural. I woke up that indeed, I did want people to be just like me (claiming superiority for myself). And that sometimes negative criticism of me by others is their own claim to superiority and wanting me to be like them. I was able to further reason that I am not only imperfect, I am a sinner and that we all without exceptions are not only imperfect but sinners. We all differ only in kind and what makes my imperfections and sins less serious than those of others. Further reasoning revealed that we are all coming from somewhere (our past experiences) and that this somewhere can have real impact on later behaviour and there is no way of knowing about the somewhere of others in full............nor even the fullness of my own somewhere. 1 Kings (1 Samuel) 16:7 "And the Lord said to Samuel: Look not on his countenance, nor on the height of his stature: because I have rejected him, nor do I judge according to the look of man: for man seeth those things that appear, but the Lord beholdeth the heart." (or each person's somewhere and where they are coming from influencing behaviour) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Like I said, I am not interested in the left right paradigm. You seem like you just want to pick apart what I was trying to say. Not much interested in that either. I was trying to be friendly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarbTherese Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) We are indeed highly gifted and honoured to be Catholic and "to whom more is given, more will be expected". Today's Carmelite Gospel Lectio reflects (in part) on the Pharisees attitude that it was all about the law and getting things right. Jesus contradicted this. http://ocarm.org/en/content/lectio/lectio-divina-mark-114-20 "b) The Kingdom of God is close at hand! For the Pharisees the coming of the Kingdom depended on their efforts. It would have arrived only after they had observed the Law. Jesus says the contrary: “The Kingdom is close at hand”. It is already here! Independently of the efforts made! When Jesus says: “The Kingdom is close at hand”, he does not mean to say that the Kingdom has been reached only at that moment, but rather that it was already there. What everybody was expecting was already present in their life, and they did not know it, they did not perceive it (cf. Lk 17, 21). Jesus perceived it! Because he saw and read reality with a different look And it is in this hidden presence of the Kingdom in the midst of the people that Jesus reveals himself to the poor of his land. And this is the seed of the Kingdom which will receive the rain of his Word and the warmth of his love." For me, the "poor of this land" not only includes myself but all those others like me who just cannot get it right (in the estimation of others). Edited January 12, 2015 by BarbaraTherese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggyie Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 Hmm Nihil we are at cross purposes. What I'm trying to explain is everyone thinks their goals are the most important and they have the red telephone connection to heaven for what really is up. Actually it's all important, dig me. Not in a seamless garment way but in a "none of the commandments are optional" way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Hmm Nihil we are at cross purposes. What I'm trying to explain is everyone thinks their goals are the most important and they have the red telephone connection to heaven for what really is up. Actually it's all important, dig me. Not in a seamless garment way but in a "none of the commandments are optional" way. And that is exactly why I said in my first post, "I want to focus on being a good Catholic on my own micro level, and I feel like the rest will follow." And why I made explicit reference to needing grace through the Church rather than ideology. I feel that you have either not understood this, or are somehow under the impression that I say it to sound pious but do not really mean it. Based on your responses, all I can do is repeat myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarbTherese Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Hmm Nihil we are at cross purposes. What I'm trying to explain is everyone thinks their goals are the most important and they have the red telephone connection to heaven for what really is up. Actually it's all important, dig me. Not in a seamless garment way but in a "none of the commandments are optional" way. One's personal goals are important to oneself (and should be methinks) and we do tend to think that they should be important for others too. Even if we are wrong in the latter, by expressing our views and with an open mind, our own views might give clues to others to come up with something more accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggyie Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 Jakob looks a lot like his Dad, Bob Dylan. And if Jakob wrote the lyrics I quoted, then he writes a lot like his Dad too. The lyrics of Bob Dylan very often were a learning curve for me. One turning point in my life was Bob Dylan's lyrics in "Maggies Farm": ) I have a story about Maggie's Farm, I was complaining that there are no great songs about girls named Maggie like there are for Layla, Caroline, etc. Everyone sings Rod Stewart to me and I'm like ugh. You wish you never saw my face??? My husband is a huge Bob Dylan fan and he was like what about Maggie's Farm? The rest is history. Although just like Rods song it's about an older woman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggyie Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 To the extent that it's about a woman. But you know what I mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarbTherese Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) To the extent that it's about a woman. But you know what I mean. I was going to comment on your post about an older woman - but then I read the above. For Dylan and many others it probably is all about an older woman or even older women in general :) (I'm 69yrs old and think I know it all!) Song lyrics can be just like visual art. What one sees in the picture or lyrics is there to be seen for that person. I continually find that The Holy Spirit speaks in the most unlikely of places very often, so much so that wherever He speaks is no longer unlikely to me..........holy and sacred ground. Edited January 12, 2015 by BarbaraTherese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarbTherese Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) Bob Dylan is probably more of a poet than strictly a lyricist I think, for me anyway. He certainly is a musician to me since lyrics speak to the head, and music to the spirit. Gifted man! Edited January 12, 2015 by BarbaraTherese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarbTherese Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 I never had a feeling for The Beatles...............I mean "I wanna hold your hand" ...........fer goodness sake go away..... .....and yet looking at that line just now, I can read something else into it that is quite probably beyond what The Beatles and even most fans intended and understood. rotfl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now