Not To Disappoint You

[IgnatiusofLoyola]

 

I'm sorry those choice words made you angry. I'm used to the traditional Catholic college culture, where everyone goes to college immediately and gets engaged before junior year.

 

For better or worse, the traditional Catholic college experience is not the norm. I'm suggesting this is the case based on the fact that non-Catholic colleges outnumber Catholic colleges, and sectarian State schools normally have MUCH larger student bodies than private colleges.

 

Also, according to the U.S. Census Bureau, in 2010, the median age of first marriage in the U.S. was 28 for men, and 26 for women.

Edited October 22, 2014 by IgnatiusofLoyola

[PhuturePriest]

There's a difference between gleefully, and usually in veiled language, recalling events of the distant past and singing songs which are basically propaganda.  

 

I'm glad you understand the difference in college cultures.  I'm not entirely sure I've met anyone who did ring by spring. I'll admit that US college culture is undoubtedly very different than in Canada.  

 

But it's the same type of sound is where I'm getting at. If a criterion for folk music is that it must recall accounts of past events, I was unaware of it.

 

I don't know many people who don't go to ring before spring colleges, to be honest. I know people who do go to secular colleges and considered going to them, but I was never able to feel at home in that type of environment. Ring before spring colleges are my preferred environment, though I do contest the term. Benedictine is considered a ring before spring college, but I don't know anyone who went there that got engaged before junior year.

[PhuturePriest]

For better or worse, the traditional Catholic college experience is not the norm. I'm suggesting this is the case based on the fact that non-Catholic colleges outnumber Catholic colleges, and sectarian State schools normally have MUCH larger student bodies than private colleges.

 

Also, according to the U.S. Census Bureau, in 2010, the median age of first marriage in the U.S. was 28 for men, and 26 for women.

 

I am very much aware of the sad statistics, unfortunately. An ever-increasing age for men and women getting married does not bode well for marriage or the family as a whole.

[truthfinder]

But it's the same type of sound is where I'm getting at. If a criterion for folk music is that it must recall accounts of past events, I was unaware of it.

 

I don't know many people who don't go to ring before spring colleges, to be honest. I know people who do go to secular colleges and considered going to them, but I was never able to feel at home in that type of environment. Ring before spring colleges are my preferred environment, though I do contest the term. Benedictine is considered a ring before spring college, but I don't know anyone who went there that got engaged before junior year.

I wasn't implying that folk music is only about past events.  There are some similar sounds between folk, but music is about the totality of the music.  If you went solely off sound, the songs by the band Gregorian Chant would indeed be classified as Gregorian chant and not alternative.  

 

Ring by spring and getting your m-r-s degree is generally seen and spoken of very derisively here.

[truthfinder]

Increasing age does usually mean fewer children; but age at first marriage does bode well for less divorce as does more education.  

Edited October 22, 2014 by truthfinder

[IgnatiusofLoyola]

But it's the same type of sound is where I'm getting at. If a criterion for folk music is that it must recall accounts of past events, I was unaware of it.

 

I don't know many people who don't go to ring before spring colleges, to be honest. I know people who do go to secular colleges and considered going to them, but I was never able to feel at home in that type of environment. Ring before spring colleges are my preferred environment, though I do contest the term. Benedictine is considered a ring before spring college, but I don't know anyone who went there that got engaged before junior year.

 

There is nothing wrong with feeling more comfortable attending a Catholic college. Just remember that the Catholic college experience is in many ways different than the college experience at a non-Catholic college.

 

A great many orthodox Catholics choose to attend non-Catholic colleges, whether it's because the in-state tuition at their State University is much less than a private school, or a specific secular college offers a stronger academic program in their major, etc. etc.

 

Our own preference is not necessarily the best or most practical choice for someone else.

 

 

[PhuturePriest]

I wasn't implying that folk music is only about past events.  There are some similar sounds between folk, but music is about the totality of the music.  If you went solely off sound, the songs by the band Gregorian Chant would indeed be classified as Gregorian chant and not alternative.  

 

Ring by spring and getting your m-r-s degree is generally seen and spoken of very derisively here.

 

Oh, I'm fully aware that many people here do not like ring before spring colleges. Thankfully, my opinions do not hinge upon what is popular amongst Phatmassers. ;)

 

Increasing age does usually mean fewer children; but age at first marriage does bode well for less divorce as does more education.  

 

Rising divorce rates tend to disagree with you, I am afraid.

[PhuturePriest]

There is nothing wrong with feeling more comfortable attending a Catholic college. Just remember that the Catholic college experience is in many ways different than the college experience at a non-Catholic college.

 

A great many orthodox Catholics choose to attend non-Catholic colleges, whether it's because the in-state tuition at their State University is much less than a private school, or a specific secular college offers a stronger academic program in their major, etc. etc.

 

Our own preference is not necessarily the best or most practical choice for someone else.

 

I never claimed it was the best choice. I am of the opinion that a good Catholic must either choose a solid Catholic college or a college with a very solid Newman Center, but I understand choosing a State college for the sake of studying what you want. I once considered zoology, if you recall, and doing that meant I would most certainly have to go to a State college.

[truthfinder]

Oh, I'm fully aware that many people here do not like ring before spring colleges. Thankfully, my opinions do not hinge upon what is popular amongst Phatmassers. ;)

 

 

Rising divorce rates tend to disagree with you, I am afraid.

 

I'm going to have to raise my hue and cry for proof. Mine for example: "This growing divorce divide means that college-educated married couples are now about half as likely to divorce as their less-educated peers. Well-educated spouses who come from intact families, who enjoy annual incomes over $60,000, and who conceive their first child in ­wedlock — as many college-educated couples do — have exceedingly low rates of divorce." http://www.nationalaffairs.com/publications/detail/the-evolution-of-divorce

 

 

And I meant "here in Canada".

[PhuturePriest]

I'm going to have to raise my hue and cry for proof. Mine for example: "This growing divorce divide means that college-educated married couples are now about half as likely to divorce as their less-educated peers. Well-educated spouses who come from intact families, who enjoy annual incomes over $60,000, and who conceive their first child in ­wedlock — as many college-educated couples do — have exceedingly low rates of divorce." http://www.nationalaffairs.com/publications/detail/the-evolution-of-divorce

 

 

And I meant "here in Canada".

 

I never contested that. But you forgot that ring before spring colleges are in fact colleges, meaning those getting engaged there are also getting degrees and are just as educated as someone from KU.

[truthfinder]

I never contested that. But you forgot that ring before spring colleges are in fact colleges, meaning those getting engaged there are also getting degrees and are just as educated as someone from KU.

Fair enough.

[PhuturePriest]

Fair enough.

 

I was referring to men getting married at 28 and women getting married at 26. It doesn't bode well for the family, or for people's maturity, for that matter. I don't want a generation of 27 year old Peter Pans.

[truthfinder]

By the same token, there are plenty of people who shouldn't have married when they were in their early twenties.  Some people are mature enough, but it's not universal.  Some in their thirties aren't mature enough either.  Some will mature because they are forced to by marriage, others will not.  

[PhuturePriest]

By the same token, there are plenty of people who shouldn't have married when they were in their early twenties.  Some people are mature enough, but it's not universal.  Some in their thirties aren't mature enough either.  Some will mature because they are forced to by marriage, others will not.  

 

Of course. The immaturity of society cannot be pointed to any one thing, but rather a multitude of factors.

[truthfinder]

Because it bothered me, this is a definition of folk music: "Traditional folk music has been defined in several ways: as music transmitted by mouth, as music of the lower classes, and as music with unknown composers. It has been contrasted with commercial and classical styles. One meaning often given is that of old songs, with no known composers; another is music that has been transmitted and evolved by a process of oral transmission or performed by custom over a long period of time."