truthfinder Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 I'm still not getting what you mean by "soft." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 I'm still not getting what you mean by "soft." Probably some criterion every bit as convoluted as his argument that rap does not technically count as music. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veritasluxmea Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 (edited) I like powerful music. This is my favorite classical-esque song: There are some soft songs I like, but I prefer powerful music that inspires passion and drive in a person. I loved that song. It wasn't originally used in LOTR, however. It came from a movie by the same title made in 2000 about drug additions. The movie title means "funeral song for a dream" and there are many similar versions of it, like Lux Aeterna. The one above is speed up a little. Interesting piece of art though. Edited October 22, 2014 by veritasluxmea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted October 22, 2014 Author Share Posted October 22, 2014 I'm still not getting what you mean by "soft." Soft: http://youtu.be/u50TEPa6NNE?t=1m13s Hard: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sM31vLsdnQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted October 22, 2014 Author Share Posted October 22, 2014 I loved that song. It wasn't originally used in LOTR, however. It came from a movie by the same title made in 2000 about drug additions. The movie title means "funeral song for a dream" and there are many similar versions of it, like Lux Aeterna. The one above is speed up a little. Interesting piece of art though. The original isn't nearly as hard-hitting as this one is. This one is actually called "Requiem for a Tower", because it is different than the original. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truthfinder Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Well, I'm getting that at some arbitrary level selected by FP, a piece of music shifts from "soft" to "hard" seemingly regardless of the meaning. This seems more to be about loudness rather than any other meaning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truthfinder Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 I also know quite a bit of Irish Rebel music from the Troubles that depending on who's playing it would necessarily by this criteria be classified as either, regardless of the words - which are essentially propagandist. Enough so that they are banned at numerous sporting events, on Aer Lingus, and royally upsets the BBC when one of the tamest rebel songs wins a poll of most important song. They are catchy, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted October 22, 2014 Author Share Posted October 22, 2014 Well, I'm getting that at some arbitrary level selected by FP, a piece of music shifts from "soft" to "hard" seemingly regardless of the meaning. This seems more to be about loudness rather than any other meaning. No, not loudness, I'm referring to the sound. The beginning guitar intro to Journeyman is incredibly soft and soothing, whereas the guitar riff to Aces High is very hard-hitting and intense. Soft vs. hard is a matter of not the volume, but the intensity of the music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 No, not loudness, I'm referring to the sound. The beginning guitar intro to Journeyman is incredibly soft and soothing, whereas the guitar riff to Aces High is very hard-hitting and intense. Soft vs. hard is a matter of not the volume, but the intensity of the music. This distinction totally falls apart the moment you get out of the soft rock - heavy rock continuum represented by, roughly and just off the top of my head, Barry Manilow to Motorhead. A lot of Irish folk and Irish punk-folk does not fit on that continuum, a lot of 'gypsy punk', a lot of more electronic genres certainly do not fit, chant and baroque as we mentioned. It simply does not make sense to categorize the vast majority of music in this manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 http://youtu.be/DAKyA2ttv0I?t=1m33s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted October 22, 2014 Author Share Posted October 22, 2014 This distinction totally falls apart the moment you get out of the soft rock - heavy rock continuum represented by, roughly and just off the top of my head, Barry Manilow to Motorhead. A lot of Irish folk and Irish punk-folk does not fit on that continuum, a lot of 'gypsy punk', a lot of more electronic genres certainly do not fit, chant and baroque as we mentioned. It simply does not make sense to categorize the vast majority of music in this manner. Well, isn't this certainly the biggest crisis in the world today. :| Music as a whole is hard to categorize. It will forever be up to opinion, really. Guns N' Roses is considered as hard rock as it gets, and for good reason. Ever heard Welcome to the Jungle? It's about as hard-hitting as you can get. And yet their most famous song is Sweet Child O' Mine, which is not nearly as intense nor hard-hitting, as it is after all what's called a power ballad. There is no ipso-facto way to categorize music. Enya is most certainly not rock music, and Iron Maiden is most certainly not rap. That's pretty much as factual as you can get when categorizing music without falling into opinion, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Well, isn't this certainly the biggest crisis in the world today. :| Music as a whole is hard to categorize. It will forever be up to opinion, really. Guns N' Roses is considered as hard rock as it gets, and for good reason. Ever heard Welcome to the Jungle? It's about as hard-hitting as you can get. And yet their most famous song is Sweet Child O' Mine, which is not nearly as intense nor hard-hitting, as it is after all what's called a power ballad. There is no ipso-facto way to categorize music. Enya is most certainly not rock music, and Iron Maiden is most certainly not rap. That's pretty much as factual as you can get when categorizing music without falling into opinion, really. Did you actually just ask if I have ever heard Welcome to the Jungle? :| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truthfinder Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 (edited) FP, could I get a ruling from you on this song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4HgAPpuTk8 Not the best recording. Edited October 22, 2014 by truthfinder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted October 22, 2014 Author Share Posted October 22, 2014 Did you actually just ask if I have ever heard Welcome to the Jungle? :| I was asking rhetorically. I can't actually imagine a world where a 23+ north American man hadn't actually heard Welcome to the Jungle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 FP, could I get a ruling from you on this song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4HgAPpuTk8 Not the best recording. Clearly that is light rock, just like Roy Orbison. :| I was asking rhetorically. I can't actually imagine a world where a 23+ north American man hadn't actually heard Welcome to the Jungle. Good save. <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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