PhuturePriest Posted October 21, 2014 Author Share Posted October 21, 2014 If a community claims to be good at everything and wants to adopt you to join them during the first visit, even when you say you don't feel it's working out, I'd be worried. I'm always wary of groups that would want me to join so quickly of their own free will! :hehe2: The Dominicans are great. If you love study, preaching, parish and outreach work it's great. In my country they don't so so much retreat work, they focus mostly on higher education, parish and chaplain work. The Salesians are a mixed bag in my experience, in terms of their theology, but worth exploring if you love the idea of youth, teaching or parish work I was also made wary and completely suspicious of the fact that they seemed to think I was the bee's knees, as this has never occurred before. :| But yeah, even the thing about evangelization they claimed to be better at than Dominicans. I said I wanted a life more centered on preaching, and he went "Well, we do lots of that here. We do more than any Dominican does, really." I tried to explain that the difference was a Dominican does it first and foremost, whereas they sometimes do it if the situation arises. Another funny thing about their incredibly penitential life is that they guilt you if you feel it's too much. One very prominent member told me that one Saint said it's a sin (or something like it) if you don't choose a religious community because the penitential life was too hard for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted October 21, 2014 Author Share Posted October 21, 2014 So Pope Leo XII's words have more effort than the Bible? Ummm no. Else all contemplative Monasteries would be shut down. There are many saints who in spiritual maturity turned their focus completely to God and rejected spiritual warfare as motus operendous. Monks pray for the faithful, they pray for the conversion of the world, and they pray for the Church. By doing so, they are fighting spiritual warfare. If you're praying for the conversion of the other side, you're participating in active spiritual warfare. You don't have to be Scott Hahn or an exorcist in order to be fighting spiritual warfare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cherie Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Sounds like you have a very sensible head on your shoulders, FP! Many continued prayers for you in your discernment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo in Deum Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Monks pray for the faithful, they pray for the conversion of the world, and they pray for the Church. By doing so, they are fighting spiritual warfare. If you're praying for the conversion of the other side, you're participating in active spiritual warfare. You don't have to be Scott Hahn or an exorcist in order to be fighting spiritual warfare. I was going to say, wouldn't actively living your Catholic faith regardless of vocation or charism be considered spiritual combat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted October 21, 2014 Author Share Posted October 21, 2014 Sounds like you have a very sensible head on your shoulders, FP! Many continued prayers for you in your discernment! This is the new winner for most sensible post ever made on Phatmass. But in other serious business, thank you. I'm beginning the application process as soon as I take the ACTs again on December 13th. I need to get a 24 because the seminary is run by bigots who want me to get a higher score because I was homeschooled. <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted October 21, 2014 Author Share Posted October 21, 2014 I was going to say, wouldn't actively living your Catholic faith regardless of vocation or charism be considered spiritual combat? It appears that our penchant for making avatars of BA clergymen has made us become of one mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazeingstar Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Monks pray for the faithful, they pray for the conversion of the world, and they pray for the Church. By doing so, they are fighting spiritual warfare. If you're praying for the conversion of the other side, you're participating in active spiritual warfare. You don't have to be Scott Hahn or an exorcist in order to be fighting spiritual warfare. I was going to say, wouldn't actively living your Catholic faith regardless of vocation or charism be considered spiritual combat? Technically, if you want to get specific, but again I was talking about active spiritual warfare and combat vs being a passive part of the necessary prayer for spiritual health. One can take their focus completely off of fighting spiritual battles and focus completely on God without being a heretic or misinformed. I'm speaking of focus and contemplation. You certainly aren't suggesting one must focus on spiritual warfare are you? Because that certainly is not doctrine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted October 21, 2014 Author Share Posted October 21, 2014 Technically, if you want to get specific, but again I was talking about active spiritual warfare and combat vs being a passive part of the necessary prayer for spiritual health. One can take their focus completely off of fighting spiritual battles and focus completely on God without being a heretic or misinformed. I'm speaking of focus and contemplation. You certainly aren't suggesting one must focus on spiritual warfare are you? Because that certainly is not doctrine. It is actually very misinformed to do so, and not in accordance with the tradition of the Church to not focus whatsoever on spiritual combat. Catholics are born for spiritual combat. It's why we're here. Fighting Satan for the glory of God is our purpose on this earth. To not participate in that is not to participate in the mission of the Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superblue Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 I was told off on my second day during the jam session. Apparently AC/DC isn't allowed to be played in the friary. According to them, AC/DC stands for "Anti-Christ/Devil's Children". According to the band, it isn't an acronym and it's just the electrical term for "Alternating Current/Direct Current" but what would the band know, anyway? I was also told several days later that I must stop reading Harry Potter, because it has a secret Wiccan agenda and it mocks the Mass in one of the books. They kinda lost the remaining trust I had in their judgment after that. Yeah i would have probably told you off too, if you came into my house, and started blaring music that i had a problem with, forget the fact that they have no clue what AC/DC is, but I doubt they would have appreciated if you busted out a Tupac or Snoop Dog cd and started throwing down those lyrics. To bad you didn't take the time to tell them what music is appropriate to listen to in their friary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superblue Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 This is the new winner for most sensible post ever made on Phatmass. But in other serious business, thank you. I'm beginning the application process as soon as I take the ACTs again on December 13th. I need to get a 24 because the seminary is run by bigots who want me to get a higher score because I was homeschooled. <_< wow bigoted,,,, interesting, from this entire thing, i would have sworn you were dragged into it kicking and screaming, first to go to on a come and see weekend where you were shackled and forced to pray before breakfast on a hardwood floor, then shoved into this application process where you had to take a beating for being homeschooled, your poor fellow. but of course you are just being a silly jokester right, you really didnt mean they are bigoted, just being " sarcastic " so cute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted October 22, 2014 Author Share Posted October 22, 2014 (edited) Yeah i would have probably told you off too, if you came into my house, and started blaring music that i had a problem with, forget the fact that they have no clue what AC/DC is, but I doubt they would have appreciated if you busted out a Tupac or Snoop Dog cd and started throwing down those lyrics. To bad you didn't take the time to tell them what music is appropriate to listen to in their friary. It's awfully funny that a person with no basic grasp of moral theology and whom wasn't an eye-witness is now making accusations of crossing boundaries. Not only did I not simply walk in, demand a guitar, and start blaring it, but they begged me to play and handed me an acoustic guitar, which can no more blare music than it can even properly play rock music. Musical notes and chords are morally neutral. Let's just say AC/DC is indeed Satanic, and I played their hit song "Satan Is My Bestie", there is nothing wrong with the notes and chords in that song. The lyrics are morally wrong and spiritually dangerous, but there is no such thing as a Satanic or evil note. Besides, the friar told me "Play me what you know." I fulfilled his own request: I know AC/DC, so I played it. He did not clarify, he did not make specifications. He merely told me to play what came to my mind, and so I did. Forgive me for automatically playing music from a band I am incredibly familiar with at a friar's request. wow bigoted,,,, interesting, from this entire thing, i would have sworn you were dragged into it kicking and screaming, first to go to on a come and see weekend where you were shackled and forced to pray before breakfast on a hardwood floor, then shoved into this application process where you had to take a beating for being homeschooled, your poor fellow. but of course you are just being a silly jokester right, you really didnt mean they are bigoted, just being " sarcastic " so cute. How may I make it up to you for daring to make a joke and express a sentiment on my own thread which you do not approve of? Really, I would like to know. I can do anything short of a million dollars, really. Edited October 22, 2014 by FuturePacker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veritasluxmea Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 :| it's usually best to not feed the... well, you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Did you just say that acoustic guitars are not capable of playing rock music? Now I am offended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 http://youtu.be/QrkgV5bl7kQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amppax Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Slappo, did you mean siesta? I'm having a hard time believing that the Carmel had a daily fiesta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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