CrossCuT Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 I saw a quote that he said if a law doesn't bring someone to Jesus, then it's obsolete. Don't know if he said that or not, or which law he was speaking of, but it's an interesting idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Rorate Caeli The Great Division - Wojtyła Nation to the Rescue. President of the Polish Bishops' Conference: "Synod Document Unacceptable" Archbishop Gądecki: Document of the Synod of Bishops Unacceptable For Many The document summarizing the first week of the synod is not acceptable to many bishops - so says Archbishop Stanislaw Gądecki. Vatican Radio, October 13, 2014 In an interview with Vatican Radio, the President of the Polish Episcopal Conference did not hesitate to say that this document departs from the teaching of John Paul II, and even that in it can be noticed traces of the anti-marriage ideology. According to Archbishop Gądecki, this text also highlights the lack of a clear vision for the synodal assembly. "Is the purpose of this Synod pastoral support to families in difficulty, or is its goal the study of special cases? Our main task is to support the family pastorally, not to hit her, exposing these difficult situations that exist, but which do not constitute the nucleus of the same family; they [the special cases] do not void the need for support, which should be given to good, normal, ordinary families, who are struggling not so much for survival so much as [to preserve] fidelity," said Archbishop Gądecki. "Referring to the issues of marriage and family, certain criteria are being applied that raise doubt. For example, the criterion of gradualism. Can you really treat cohabitation as gradual, on the path to holiness? Today, the discussion also highlighted that the doctrine presented in the document is marked by the sin of omission. As if the world's view prevailed and everything was imperfection, which leads to perfection... Attention was paid not so much to what this document says, but to what it does not say. Speak about the practical exceptions, but we also need to present the truth. Also, the points that speak of children entrusted to same-sex couples are formulated somewhat as if this situation is being praised! This is also a defect of this text, which instead should be an incentive to fidelity, family values, but instead seems to accept everything as it is. It created an impression that the teaching of the Church has been merciless so far, as if the teaching of mercy were beginning only now." [Source, in Polish] [Original document in Polish] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisa Marie Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Seriously, it's just a midterm report. And if you read the report, it doesn't contain anything earth shattering. All the Chicken Littles really need to go home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Seriously, it's just a midterm report. And if you read the report, it doesn't contain anything earth shattering. All the Chicken Littles really need to go home. Yes, yes it does, and I'll go where I please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Seriously, it's just a midterm report. And if you read the report, it doesn't contain anything earth shattering. All the Chicken Littles really need to go home. I did read it, and I thought it was concerning. Concerning at least inasmuch as it indicates what some of the more influential bishops of the Synod are thinking, not because the document itself has any authority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amppax Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 The document is vague. No, it doesn't say anything too troubling, but I find the vague language troubling. Of course, I found that troubling in studying some of the documents of Vatican II. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 The document is vague. No, it doesn't say anything too troubling, but I find the vague language troubling. Of course, I found that troubling in studying some of the documents of Vatican II. I agree. Ambiguity is the lingua franca of modernism. This was not unintentional. We must pray, and be very cautious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 I suspect that one side of the church will be as upset with this synod as the other side was when Benedict brought back the Latin mass. And before everyone starts attacking me, just because I disagree with something Benedict did does not make me any more wrong than disagreeing with Francis makes people wrong now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossCuT Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 I trust that at the end of the world, God will come back and take us all to Heaven anyways. So I really dont care much about the Synod. Just the fact that all this is happening while Im alive is pretty cool beans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veritasluxmea Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Whenever people disagree with popes on whatever issues, I always think of this quote from someone I don't know: “Nothing a Pope could do or say, would make me wish to leave the Church, though I might well wish he would.†Anyways, I've read a few quotes I've loved, like the one on mercy, and a few, most notably the homosexual one, that I disagree with. Homosexuals have gifts and qualities to offer the Christian community That's the best we have to offer, really? Every human has special gifts to offer. Being homosexual don't make you more gifted or something. I've worked with gay guys who were as dull as dirt and weren't even sassy. It's like saying, "Hey, you're human, you are special, like everyone else!" Like, what does that even mean? Homosexuals have gifts to offer because they are human, not because they are homosexual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Our interactions with friends, relatives, and colleagues who aren't living by the teachings of the Church aren't "battles" and if that's the attitude you're approaching them with then that's a large part of the problem. Do not think that I came to send peace upon earth: I came not to send peace, but the sword. For I came to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's enemies shall be they of his own household. (Matthew 10:34-36 DR) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Ryan Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 (edited) That's the best we have to offer, really? Every human has special gifts to offer. Being homosexual don't make you more gifted or something. I've worked with gay guys who were as dull as dirt and weren't even sassy. It's like saying, "Hey, you're human, you are special, like everyone else!" Like, what does that even mean? Homosexuals have gifts to offer because they are human, not because they are homosexual. Was this a statement by the synod? Wasn't it in the form of a question? Edited October 14, 2014 by John Ryan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddington Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Well, it's not easy, because Sarah Palin made a porno and she is Catholic, but not a homo. I would take the approach of the Reverend Billy Graham when his son, Franklin, came out of the closet - we would co-author a book and let the reader decide. No matter what, I wouldn't let disagreements be stumbling blocks to talking about Syria or just doing friendship evangelism, in which you witness to the faith by watching WWE and drinking micro-brews with the unregenerate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veritasluxmea Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 (edited) Was this a statement by the synod? Wasn't it in the form of a question? It's a statement under the title Welcoming Homosexuals, paragraph 50. Homosexuals have gifts and qualities to offer to the Christian community: are we capable of welcoming these people, guaranteeing to them a fraternal space in our communities? Often they wish to encounter a Church that offers them a welcoming home. Are our communities capable of providing that, accepting and valuing their sexual orientation, without compromising Catholic doctrine on the family and matrimony? Edited October 14, 2014 by veritasluxmea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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