Christian Bigotry At Its Worst!

[PhuturePriest]

Are these all... sarcastic? 

 

He's said before quite seriously that the Church says sarcasm is sinful, but he's never been able to cite it.

[Socrates]

I agree that Islam has many troubling aspects and that these are used by many people to justify violence. I don't think this kind of rhetoric from our side is helpful in achieving peace. It only inflames the situation and has the potential to anger and radicalise otherwise ordinary Muslims.

 

I doubt it.  Those hardcore "extremist" Muslims who are willing to wage violent Jihad, I'm sure, could care less whether or not "infidels" think Islam is violent.  (They are more than willing to commit violence in the cause of Islam, and obviously have no problem with Islam being violent.)

 

Likewise, non-violent Muslims would be unlikely to join violent "radical" groups on the basis of Christians considering their religion violent.  ("How dare you say Islam is violent?!  I will kill you all to prove how non-violent we are!")

 

We shouldn't avoid speaking politically incorrect truths out of fear of "inflaming radicals."  The unwillingness of many Western liberals to acknowledge the reality of Islam has done nothing to defuse radical Islam, and has actually played right into their hands.  (For them, the more we keep our heads in the sand, the better.)

 

 

 

The trouble with Islam and the Qur'an is that it is a regression to Judaism and the Old Testament. Mohammad comes off as a Moses type figure. Instead of this message of love, mercy and kindness to our enemies, we find the same dichotomy between the Knights and the Barbarians, the Chosen and the Gentile. The caveat is Sufism, of which I hold the highest respect.

 

But we Catholics/Christians consider Moses a genuine prophet of the Most High God, unlike Mohammed.

There is such a thing as just war, and it is wrong to consider Jesus Christ and "the God of the Old Testament" as being at odds.

 

The trouble with Islam is that it is a false religion based on the teachings of a false prophet, which explicitly denies Christ as God and Savior, and makes the Gospels to be lies (they claim Jesus was really a prophet who preached Islam, and that He was neither killed nor resurrected.)

That much is true of both violent and "peaceful" schools of Islam.

[Deus te Amat]

He's said before quite seriously that the Church says sarcasm is sinful, but he's never been able to cite it.

 

 

Lemme help.

 

CCC 2481:

 

"Boasting or bragging is an offense against truth. So is irony aimed at disparaging someone by maliciously caricaturing some aspect of his behavior."

 

 

Sarcasm:

 

 

Origin

mid 16th century: from French sarcasme, or via late Latin from late Greek sarkasmos, from Greek sarkazein â€˜tear flesh,’ in late Greek ‘gnash the teeth, speak bitterly’ (fromsarx, sark- â€˜flesh’).

 

[beatitude]

Didacus, almost all the threads I've seen from you are about Islam being violent. No matter what views any of us might have on this other religion or that other philosophy, I don't think posting repetitively about its evils and Christianity's superior nature is going to achieve anything for anyone. What are you trying to accomplish?

 

I have been living and working in a conflict zone for most of my adult life, with people who are extremely vulnerable (those with intellectual disabilities and psychiatric conditions, who are often shunned and marginalised even in peaceful places and times). I also did similar work in my home country, where people with conditions like Down Syndrome are still institutionalized sometimes and still perceived as not being fully people, which remains the case all over the world. One of the things this experience has taught me is that the roots of violence and violence really are present in our own hearts and that the only way to fight them is by keeping our eyes on the humanity of our brother even when it's hard to see. For us this obviously means looking first to the cross, where Jesus appeared 'as one to make men screen their faces', and 'so disfigured that he seemed barely human'.

 

The cruelty of the killers in IS disfigures them, makes them seem barely human, but because of the cross we should be able to recognise that God made them lovingly and he loves them even now, they are still precious in his sight, they're our lost brothers and sisters and we need to pray for them. (We may pay lip service to this idea, but do we really feel it? Do we really love these people? And are we trying to?) For some people the actions of IS may disfigure the perceptions of the Muslim people who share their neighbourhood. Yesterday I heard someone from a friend's church proclaiming that he hoped ISIS members burn in hell, and I keep seeing so many acidic snarky comments about 'the religion of peace' and the superiority of Christianity. Our Christianity is manifested in our compassion, and I don't see how this attitude helps to show our Gospel for what it is, or allows us to love others better. And what's the point? When we die we won't be judged on whether our religion was objectively better than another person's, but on how we lived our faith, through the mercy of Jesus. If we want others to reach that mercy we have to show it in our own lives, starting with how we talk and think about others - and to paraphrase the Fatima prayer, especially those who need it most. I don't see how this kind of thing helps us with that.

 

Edited to add: this seems a good place to draw attention to this thread - pledging to pray the rosary for peace during the month of October.

Edited October 2, 2014 by beatitude

[veritasluxmea]

Lemme help.

 

CCC 2481:

 

"Boasting or bragging is an offense against truth. So is irony aimed at disparaging someone by maliciously caricaturing some aspect of his behavior."

 

 

Sarcasm:

I would argue here that it would be wrong to use sarcasm when it's rude, mean, belittling, and uncharitable. Maybe I'm not seeing it, but the quote doesn't say sarcasm is by its nature wrong. Sometimes sarcasm can be positive and not about anyone in particular, in which case it would be ok to use. 

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

He's said before quite seriously that the Church says sarcasm is sinful, but he's never been able to cite it.

 

I have never once said sarcasm and mockery is sinful though it may be, and yes the church doesn't agree with it. It is trouble making. Write sarcasm and mockery in the vatican.va search engine.
 

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

actually just did the search myself, and there is only 1 document i can find on sarcasm and mockery and it says that they mocked jesus and where sarcastic when they said "If you are the king of jews, save yourself". How is that good man? They mocked Jesus and where sarcastic towards him, and that is probably not the only biblical example of why sarcasm and mockery is not good. Unsure where i got that sarcasm and mockery isn't good or where i read it, perhaps in the old testament, i'm going to bible search sarcasm and mockery now, but i have already given you one example, but i will do the work for you. And i thought the chatechism said something bad about sarcasm and mockery but seemingly it doesn't unless i'm doing a wrong search on the vatican website.

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

actually 'i wrote sarcasm and mockery' in the search engine, if you just write ' sarcasm ' or 'mockery' there is heaps of stuff on it. I'm not going to read it all at the momment but whats the bet the church doesn't view either in any glorious light.

[Didacus]

Didacus, almost all the threads I've seen from you are about Islam being violent. No matter what views any of us might have on this other religion or that other philosophy, I don't think posting repetitively about its evils and Christianity's

 

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helps to show our Gospel for what it is, or allows us to love others better. And what's the point? When we die we won't be judged on whether our religion was objectively better than another person's, but on how we lived our faith, through the mercy of Jesus. If we want others to reach that mercy we have to show it in our own lives, starting with how we talk and think about others - and to paraphrase the Fatima prayer, especially those who need it most. I don't see how this kind of thing helps us with that.

 

Edited to add: this seems a good place to draw attention to this thread - pledging to pray the rosary for peace during the month of October.

 

Hummmm... well maybe you should stop reading my posts then huh?  Your call.

 

 

I hear what you're saying that only a fringe group and minorities a giving islam a bad name, such as ISIS.  For example, ISIS only displaced 1.8 million people so far; hardly significant.  It will take the muslims of Iraw another 10-15 years to murder the Christian community to extinction; if they were main stream, they would have been done by now.

 

And if you think I detest muslims, and islam... you are mistaken.  What I detest is the stupidty and gullibility of the western world who will claim islam is peaceful and benign simply for the sake of avoiding criticism, or appearing to be 'nice' or appear peaceful themselves.  Trying to be 'christian' for the appearance of being Christian to stand on a higher moral ground and denounce those who dare point to the obvious truth and towards the suffering which cries to heaven itself.

 

Anyways - you can ban my posts you know.  You don't have to read a single word I write.  Keep feeling good about yourself, and good luck.

[Didacus]

And fyi - that is, if you are still reading my posts (not that I care).  I admire many aspects of muslim culture, and have always maintained that we (as Christians in modern day) have much to learn from them.  I admire they faithfulness (willing to live their faith unto death), their devotion, their discipline towards their religion and culture.  In many aspects they are right to criticize (and in our actions, despise us).  Not sure about the killing us part though, but hey, if you're ok with it, it must be right -huh?

[Thy Geekdom Come]

The trouble with Islam and the Qur'an is that it is a regression to Judaism and the Old Testament. Mohammad comes off as a Moses type figure. Instead of this message of love, mercy and kindness to our enemies, we find the same dichotomy between the Knights and the Barbarians, the Chosen and the Gentile. The caveat is Sufism, of which I hold the highest respect.

 

In that, it's like the Judaizer heresy.

 

But it's also like the Arian heresy, if you think about it. And the iconoclast heresy.

 

There's a reason Islam has been called "the sum of all heresies."

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

Enrage the muslims, take the churches focus off the free masons. Create an imaginary enemy among the people so as the real enemy can take over. Like i don't agree with killing infidels but if you put a hiphop spin on the word killing and a lashing with the tounge then yes kill those who cheat on there partner, either with justice or mercy, you can bless them to death so to speak, bless them into repentance, hit them in the sweet spot. 

Not that i would ever convert to islam by the way, i am a christian man!

 

JESUS IZ LorD!

Edited October 5, 2014 by Tab'le De'Bah-Rye

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

perhaps the koran is mis interpreted by the extremists. If a daily lashing of the wife is giving her a bit of tounge and cheek and killing the infidels is actually tounge in cheek also and about vocally causing them to repent of there cheating way, because infidel comes from infidelity yes?

Edited October 5, 2014 by Tab'le De'Bah-Rye