Emma Watson's Un Speech

[CrossCuT]

I don't think supporting men/women equal rights is the same things as supporting gay partnerships.

Right, well they are the same thing because gay people still have genders. Being gay really has nothing to do with it honestly. They should be able to do all the same stuff which includes marriage/union/legal identification and the perks that come with that. 

 

 

And yes, men and women should have equal rights because they are all humans. Correct. Did anyone say differently?

[PhuturePriest]

Right, well they are the same thing because gay people still have genders. Being gay really has nothing to do with it honestly. They should be able to do all the same stuff which includes marriage/union/legal identification and the perks that come with that. 

 

 

And yes, men and women should have equal rights because they are all humans. Correct. Did anyone say differently?

 

Marriage is not a right, it is a calling. No one can claim a calling when they don't have it. I can't decide to be the Pope, and I can't even decide to be a priest. It depends on if I am called, not if I want it.

[veritasluxmea]

Right, well they are the same thing because gay people still have genders. Being gay really has nothing to do with it honestly. They should be able to do all the same stuff which includes marriage/union/legal identification and the perks that come with that. 

Gay people can get married same as hereto's. They can still get the marriage/union/legal id/taxes when they marry the opposite sex- it's the difference between hereto/homo unions that's the issue. (some) gay people don't want to marry the opposite gender, and that's where the "right" to get married stops, because 1) that isn't marriage 2) no one has the marriage legal "rights" to something that isn't a marriage. 

 

EDIT: I may be wrong, so I thought I'd ask: Are you saying in the bolded that they have a right to a gay marriage like heretos have a right to regular marriage because gay and hereto marriages are the same? 

Edited September 26, 2014 by veritasluxmea

[Basilisa Marie]

Idk, I get torn between wanting to convince people that deciding to be a feminist is a thing everyone should do and wanting to respect the right of a person to not identify as a feminist. *sigh*internetsocialjusticeproblems*sigh*

 

But mostly I feel like people who talk about not wanting to be feminists don't give enough credit to feminists who got society to recognize all kinds of their rights, and continue to work to help all kinds of people who are "oppressed" in varying degrees. If you're a woman and have a job, get an education, own property, vote,...among hundreds of other things we do, you need to thank feminism. Feminists are fighting to promote men's rights, like better treatment in divorce courts re: custody of children. Feminism is an incredibly human movement, and has tons of ever-evolving flaws. But people also so much good for humanity in the name of feminism. Feminism isn't just one thing, like how the Church isn't just what the media paints it to be. Bringing awareness of various feminist issues helps people talk about human rights issues, and things that are wrong in society.  Feminism also helps us talk about issues regarding what it really means to be male and female. Even we as Catholics often have trouble with assigning certain qualities to either gender that don't really touch on what it really means to be male or female. How often do we measure the worth of a Catholic woman by how many children she has, albeit consciously or subconsciously? Or that women who wear skirts are somehow better at being female? Or that men have to be tough and like sports to be manly? That any man who is serious about his faith just has to be considering the priesthood, because why would a regular layman take his faith seriously? 

TLDR: Feminism has all kinds of subcategories and ideas within it, but it can be a good way for us to look at how we think of gender and human rights. 

 

 

[Credo in Deum]

Right, well they are the same thing because gay people still have genders. Being gay really has nothing to do with it honestly. They should be able to do all the same stuff which includes marriage/union/legal identification and the perks that come with that. 

 

Where does it end? 

 

https://twitter.com/VertashaAndMary

 

While males and females should have the same rights (such as the same wage, opportunity for career advancement, and education), I do not believe every relationship deserves the same rights (marriage/unions).    

[Gabriela]

I think it's nice and I think she is, in general, helping the situation. If nothing else she is making people discuss what feminism is and what we need/don't need. 
 
But I still found this commentary on it interesting. 
 
http://coolman229.tumblr.com/post/98274346867/an-open-letter-to-emma-watson
 

 

I can get on board with some of this, too. But much of what she says is just flat out naive. I agree that the main reason women don't identify as feminists is because feminists are just as corrupt as men and haven't helped women much since the 1960s. They do tend to perpetuate the idea of women as victims, which is counter to their goals. But that science will save us all? That birth control is the answer to inequality?

 

Sheesh.

[CrossCuT]

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Edited September 26, 2014 by CrossCuT

[Ice_nine]

I can get on board with some of this, too. But much of what she says is just flat out naive. I agree that the main reason women don't identify as feminists is because feminists are just as corrupt as men and haven't helped women much since the 1960s. They do tend to perpetuate the idea of women as victims, which is counter to their goals. But that science will save us all? That birth control is the answer to inequality?

 

Sheesh.

 

On the first read I stopped before that part but um, wth? Does she think that the feminists she's talking about are NOT all about foisting artificial birth control on impoverished cultures? If that's not one of the main tenets of modern feminism I must have my head in the sand.

Edited September 26, 2014 by Ice_nine

[Gabriela]

On the first read I stopped before that part but um, wth? Does she think that the feminists she's talking about are NOT all about foisting artificial birth control on impoverished cultures? If that's not one of the main tenets of modern feminism I must have my head in the sand.

 

Excellent point.

[pippo buono]

TIME's latest article on the issue.

 

http://time.com/3432838/emma-watson-feminism-men-women/

[Gabriela]

 

https://twitter.com/VertashaAndMary

 

 

Ummm... Isn't this illegal? How in the world has nothing been done about this?

[Credo in Deum]

Ummm... Isn't this illegal? How in the world has nothing been done about this?

 

Hey now, stop being a bigot.  What they're doing is progressive and courageous!   You need stop living in the middle ages and accept that love is love and that all relationships should be treated and viewed as equal. 

[Maggyie]

The Vertasha and Mary thing is s hoax.

I mean it was an ok speech? I mean are we really hipped up about it cuz omgosh Hermione?

[Credo in Deum]

The Vertasha and Mary thing is s hoax.
 

While it is most likely a hoax the hoax still poses a great question.  At what point does this 'equality for relationships' mentality end?  I'm just waiting for the day something like this happens and Catholics are called incestphobes for disagreeing with it. 

[Semper Catholic]

While it is most likely a hoax the hoax still poses a great question. At what point does this 'equality for relationships' mentality end? I'm just waiting for the day something like this happens and Catholics are called incestphobes for disagreeing with it.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slope