Burke Dismantles " Who Am I To Judge"?

[PhuturePriest]

A Canadian pope! Mwahaha *cough* Sorry, I mean, wouldn't the Vatican be so polite.

 

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[Nihil Obstat]

Frankly, I think that Pope Francis intends to resign in a few years. My basis for that is relatively speculative, but I do very much think it will happen.

[PhuturePriest]

Frankly, I think that Pope Francis intends to resign in a few years. My basis for that is relatively speculative, but I do very much think it will happen.

 

He's openly said he plans to retire.

[Nihil Obstat]

He's openly said he plans to retire.

Did he say so openly? I thought he made a sort of oblique reference that could be interpreted that way. Perhaps I read a poor translation.

[Deus te Amat]

Edited because Meh.

 

[AccountDeleted]

I've nowhere said "Man, I hope Pope Francis dies in five years so Burke can be Pope instead." I've simply stated Pope Francis is old so Ouellet might still become Pope. As you have been very fond of saying in your past four posts, only God knows what will happen.

 

What I actually said was 'If Francis dies or steps down, I want Ouellet again but he will be 80 in 2024, so I'm not holding my breath that it will happen.' My statement is hardly as definitive as saying that one 'honestly' does or doesn't think a thing will happen. I don't honestly know one way or the other, but if I held my breath until 2024, it would be very uncomfortable for me as I turned blue and passed out, woke up, held my breath, turned blue, passed out, etc, etc, etc. so I am not holding my breath that it will happen.

 

You see how simple it all is when explained clearly and concisely?? :p Srsly, little one, you get way too involved in things that we have no control over. Let it go, let God. :)

 

Hypo: Fetus honestly thinks Francis will resign. See, easy.

[Ash Wednesday]

 

"God only knows, and he ain't talking!"

[Winchester]

The problem is, people move from judging acts into attacking people. Often physically, over personal sins. When it's not physical, it's still often is done in such a way that it appears to be more a means of attacking people rather than the sin, itself. It's important to discuss sinful actions, but that really isn't where people stop. Too often, people allegedly merely pointing out the motes in the eyes of others seem obsessed with getting others to admit what horrible human beings they are. They simply won't be satisfied until their target is reduced to a quivering mass that just mumbles about what a terrible sinner it is. Whether it's intended with love, or not, these judgments too often don't appear to be.

 

[AccountDeleted]

The problem is, people move from judging acts into attacking people. Often physically, over personal sins. When it's not physical, it's still often is done in such a way that it appears to be more a means of attacking people rather than the sin, itself. It's important to discuss sinful actions, but that really isn't where people stop. Too often, people allegedly merely pointing out the motes in the eyes of others seem obsessed with getting others to admit what horrible human beings they are. They simply won't be satisfied until their target is reduced to a quivering mass that just mumbles about what a terrible sinner it is. Whether it's intended with love, or not, these judgments too often don't appear to be.

 

This is very thoughtful - and wise. That's probably why I love Francis. It's not that he doesn't judge the sin, but that he doesn't judge the sinner - or at least he doesn't appear to do so. I know I have been guilty of this in the past and I hope that there is a transformation happening in me that can see that the sin and the sinner are two completely different things in God's eyes. He hates the sin but He loves the sinner.

 

Nothing seemed to get Jesus more riled up than the idea of self-righteous Pharisees praising themselves in the temple and condemning the poor sinner beside them. Some sinners don't know they are sinning, some do, but the point is that judgment of the sinner needs to be left up to God. Judging the sin? Yes. We can do that. But not the sinner - not in the way that we tend to do anyway, without love and compassion and understanding.

 

Great reply Winnie.

[Credo in Deum]

Frankly, I think that Pope Francis intends to resign in a few years. My basis for that is relatively speculative, but I do very much think it will happen.

 

A new Papal tradition, perhaps?

 

[Amppax]

Francis said recently: "two or three more years, and then I'll go to the house of the Father." So there's that. 

[Winchester]

This is very thoughtful - and wise. That's probably why I love Francis. It's not that he doesn't judge the sin, but that he doesn't judge the sinner - or at least he doesn't appear to do so. I know I have been guilty of this in the past and I hope that there is a transformation happening in me that can see that the sin and the sinner are two completely different things in God's eyes. He hates the sin but He loves the sinner.

 

Nothing seemed to get Jesus more riled up than the idea of self-righteous Pharisees praising themselves in the temple and condemning the poor sinner beside them. Some sinners don't know they are sinning, some do, but the point is that judgment of the sinner needs to be left up to God. Judging the sin? Yes. We can do that. But not the sinner - not in the way that we tend to do anyway, without love and compassion and understanding.

 

Great reply Winnie.

[Nihil Obstat]

A new Papal tradition, perhaps?

I do think that is what he wants, yes.

[CatherineM]

Francis said recently: "two or three more years, and then I'll go to the house of the Father." So there's that.

That doesn't sound like a promise to retire.

[Amppax]

That doesn't sound like a promise to retire.

 

Well apparently, I've been told, the translation was poor. So I don't know exactly what he said. Not to mention that's second hand. I heard that from a friend, although I don't think it was falsely reported to me.