Ash Wednesday Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 Me personally, this is the first state presidential funeral I've ever witnessed in my lifetime. The last one was LBJ in 73. I want to read up about the symbolism with it. I watched recaps of today's events on CSPAN, and I found it fascinating -- especially the fighter jet formation and riderless horse with the boots in the stirrups backwards. It makes me want to know more about the traditions of the presidency in U.S. history. (I'm the first to admit I haven't really read up on U.S. history much since college.....had my head in all them art books!) One thing I didn't know is that Nixon could have had a state funeral also (I thought maybe because of how he left in disgrace and all, he didn't get one.) but he simply opted not to have one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 Jacob... I know you're a smart guy and a good history student... But I have to agree with Ash Wednesday and Mickey's_Girl. The cold war was a scary time to grow up in. The idea of meeting an actual Soviet citizen (outside of the USSR, that is) seemed rediculous. I've had three live in my house! (Anyone remember the hoopla when Samantha Smith went to visit, I think, Andropov in the Kremlin?) Honoring a president for the days before his funeral is not unreasonable. I believe that 30 days of mourning is traditional. Pass the jelly beans... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thicke Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 [quote name='homeschoolmom' date='Jun 10 2004, 07:01 AM'] I believe that 30 days of mourning is traditional. [/quote] You're right Hsmom. The laws that govern use and display of the US Flag mention this. United States Code, Title 36, Chapter 10 includes the following: [quote]The flag shall be flown at half-staff thirty days from the death of the President or a former President; ten days from the day of death of the Vice President, the Chief Justice or a retired Chief Justice of the United States, or the Speaker of the House of Representatives; from the day of death until interment of an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court, a Secretary of an executive or military department, a former Vice President, or the Governor of a State, territory, or possession; and on the day of death and the following day for a Member of Congress.[/quote] All of Title 36 can be viewed here: [url="http://www.usflag.org/us.code36.html"]http://www.usflag.org/us.code36.html[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 Okay, don't kill me here but I kinda agree with Iacobus. I was born in '78, so I do remember some of when Reagan was in office (including when he came to my hometown), so I do agree that Reagan was a good man in a lot of ways, but I don't think the media is doing that great of a job explaining this man to the younger generation that would make them care about Reagan. The person I really admire right now is Nancy Reagan. She's taken care of him for the last ten years and she's holding up admirably well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azaelia Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 I know I'm not really going with the flow of the subject here, but... That's really cool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 my dad kinda based himself off of ronald reagan, that's why he's such a great success i love my dad, and reagan is awesome people shouldn't think so much for themselves, it's annoying cuz they all come to different conclusions. stop complicating everything. Ronald Reagan was an awesome guy, an optimist. He faced down the Soviet Union and won. JPII did the same thing. Those are the two ppl without which the Soviet Union would probably still exist. Ronald Reagan was the greatest president of modern times. And regardless of that, you should respect a fallen president anyway. He led the country for 8 years, and basically saved it from a pessimistic country that could've gone under at any second and restored American dignity. LONG LIVE HOT WATER IN THE WHITE HOUSE PAX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 i'm not saying that i disrespect him, i'm just saying not everyone has such a whitewash view of Reagan as people like to think. everyone is entitled to their opinion. i still think we should show respect for the recently departed and his family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iacobus Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 I am not dishonoring him. But I am saying that the media is making me sick. The Cold War was over in the Mid 1970's. WHen the CCCP invaded Afganastan in '79 and it other movements in the late 1970's it was not the movement and reemgence of the Great Red Beast but the death throws. The CCCP was falling in on itself. Reagan just happened to be in office when it was really dying. Moreover parts of his term were bad. Nobody here would praise the "emeny of my emeny is my friend" idea he used in arming the Talibian to fight the CCCP or in arming Saddam in the war agasint Iran. Nobody would say Iran-Contra was a good thing. The idea of trickle down economics that lead to a huge depression. His union busting tatics (Air Traffic Controlers, etc) His bail out of large comapnies. Almost like welfare only much bigger, we don't bail out families we bail out Car makers. We can't just skip over these issues. For many reasons. 1) They deny the complexity of the man 2) They were huge issues and still are leaving a lasting impression 3) They are, wheter we like it or not, part of who the man was and what he did And as to me living during the Cold War, yes I did for a few years. I was born in 1986. Granted I probly wasn't thinking much of international poltics at the time. However, the Cold War has intrested me (and for my AP test one of the things we were most likly going to write about, and did, was Continment/Truman Doctrine) so I read up on it in my text. I talked about it with my parents who lived it as poltical active beings. My dad NEARLY went to the '68 Convention in Chicago to protest VietNam. I get historical views from the text and personal views from my parents and my grandparents and my parents friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1337 k4th0l1x0r Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 Historians and political pundits will have until the end of time to debate Reagan's policies and give criticism. I personally like Ronald Reagan, but even if it was someone I wasn't too particularly fond of, I wouldn't go slamming the person. Instead, it would be proper to focus on the whole life of the person and good the person has done. You wouldn't want people going to your visitation and funeral discussing all the annoying things you did and how you made people mad on occasion, would you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 Lil Red, you have a good point about the media. Maybe because this is an election year and all, people both left wing and right wing seem to be chomping at the bit to put partisan spin on all of it. Reagan always did have impeccable timing... figures that he would be called from this world during an election year. I see a lot of really interesting parallels with the times now, and life during Carter's presidency. High gas prices and problems in the middle east and low country morale. Now all I need is a volcano erupting (Mt. St. Helens) and dad riding home on a bike with an ash mask on.... so I'm not surprised that this creates an outpouring of love for the Reagan optimism. I think if he would have died in more prosperous times, like during the booming Clinton economy, it might not have been as big of a deal. Here is an interesting article: U.S. Ripe for Reagan Nostalgia After Grim Year [url="http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=564&ncid=564&e=5&u=/nm/20040610/ts_nm/reagan_nostalgia_dc_2"]http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor..._nostalgia_dc_2[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 [quote]WHen the CCCP invaded Afganastan in '79 and it other movements in the late 1970's it was not the movement and reemgence of the Great Red Beast but the death throws. The CCCP was falling in on itself. Reagan just happened to be in office when it was really dying.[/quote] Then what about the pope? If the Soviet Union was dying and the Cold War was ending, most of us can tell you that the general public would not have known the difference. They were very secretive about everything. Up until glasnost, they were about intimidation and show, and they put on a very good act. [quote]And as to me living during the Cold War, yes I did for a few years. [/quote] Wait a minute, I thought you were born in 86, yet you also said the Cold War was over in the Mid 1970s. Which is right? Reagan wasn't a saint. I think a lot of this is nostalgia. People view presidents in retrospect with rosier shades. They downplayed Watergate when Nixon died, and I think they will be a lot more charitable to Carter when he goes. Even now, people affectionately call Bush Sr. "poppa Bush" and he sure wasn't "poppa" in office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iacobus Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 LOL. I did say it was kinda over in the Mid '70's lol. But officaly I guess it wasn't over till it was over in the 80's lol. Myabe you are right about the bad times thing. Kinda like Western novels were in the late 1800's and early 1900's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 [quote name='Iacobus' date='Jun 10 2004, 02:03 PM']Kinda like Western novels were in the late 1800's and early 1900's.[/quote] [img]http://history.searchbeat.com/reagan-hat.gif[/img] heehehe... ya think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iacobus Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 What is it with GOP leaders and cowboys? LOL! Reagan, Bush? LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted June 10, 2004 Share Posted June 10, 2004 (edited) WORD to Mickey and Ash. I lived thru the Cold War. We didn't know it we were going to be blown to smithereens by the Russians on a month to month basis. I voted for President Reagan. He was far from perfect and he made mistakes, but he made us proud to be Americans again. And after living thru the stupid years of Bill and Hil [hell], I am glad to see all the tributes to this great man. People are waiting in line 5 hours to stand 30 secnonds in front of his coffin. Edited June 11, 2004 by cmotherofpirl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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