Sexual Arousal An Occasion Of Sin

[cappie]

Quickly, as a confessor............the arousal in and of itself is never a sin....it's your motivation...concupiscence is not a sin, but when it turns to lust, it turns to sin.

[Glory to God]

Yep, All male ob/gyns should read this post. To somehow believe they, doctors of medicine, have conquered lust while our Doctors of the Church struggled till the end. Why do Catholic hospitals allow male ob/gyns?

 

[Lilllabettt]

3 hours ago, Glory to God said:

Yep, All male ob/gyns should read this post. To somehow believe they, doctors of medicine, have conquered lust while our Doctors of the Church struggled till the end. Why do Catholic hospitals allow male ob/gyns?

 

That's rather a weird thing to say.

If you're implying obgyns are turned on by looking at vaginas, I wouldn't worry about that. Although there is a potential for sickos in every profession, which is why my obgyn (a male) never examines patients without a nurse being present - safety for us both. Think about a jeweler getting excited by diamond solitaires or a pastry chef getting excited to make a batch of jelly donuts... its another day at the office for them. Another hour, another vagina. When you spend all day trying to solve vagina problems and considering whether this, the 45th vagina of the week, is presenting normally or abnormally ... the sexual charge is lost. Then there is the other chunk of things obgyns do day after day, which is deliver human bowling balls thru the vagina.  For normal people this is not a sexually titillating "view" in the least.

It's a bit like these uncontacted tribes that have their women walking around with breasts hanging out. In their culture women's breasts have no sexual charge and they aren't arousing to men within that culture, they are just a part of the furniture.

I personally prefer having a male obgyn. They seem to take my concerns more seriously. Or, I know how to manipulate them better   My obgyn isn't Catholic either. I know my faith and I don't have any issues being pushed around.

[Glory to God]

Most of those bare breasted tribes practice sexual promiscuity. Is porn not addictive? You think the more a man is stimulated, the less he enjoys? On the past, christian societies have put to death men other than husbands entering the birthing chamber. Let's look at the high morels of modern medicine. Birth control, ivf, abortion, pelvic exams by students while patients are under anastisia- without consent! The last on is legally rape of the 1st degree, and these med students do it 20 to 60 times! Serial rapists! Read what the Doctors of the Church say about lust and how to avoid it. No mention about going to med school. Honestly, women have a hard time understanding the male drive in regards to lust. Many reputable articles on the med student pelvic exams without consent. You should also look up the FBI's legal definition of rape. 

 Before women had the majority role for doctors on ob/gyn, men made women have pelvics for yeast infections, annual paps, ect. Doctor chat sites comment on fighting their urges. They are just men. My urologist was a truck driver before he went to school, still the same guy. One study showed attractive patients had more scheduled male gyno visits than there other patients. Our own church tells us this; unlike the other deadly sins, lust cannot be battled with a counter virtue. The only way a soul may survive is to flee and ray to the mother of God. Even the greatest of saints would flee such temptations that the ob/gyn schedules.

 

 

[Lilllabettt]

1 hour ago, Glory to God said:

Most of those bare breasted tribes practice sexual promiscuity. Is porn not addictive? You think the more a man is stimulated, the less he enjoys? On the past, christian societies have put to death men other than husbands entering the birthing chamber. Let's look at the high morels of modern medicine. Birth control, ivf, abortion, pelvic exams by students while patients are under anastisia- without consent! The last on is legally rape of the 1st degree, and these med students do it 20 to 60 times! Serial rapists! Read what the Doctors of the Church say about lust and how to avoid it. No mention about going to med school. Honestly, women have a hard time understanding the male drive in regards to lust. Many reputable articles on the med student pelvic exams without consent. You should also look up the FBI's legal definition of rape. 

 Before women had the majority role for doctors on ob/gyn, men made women have pelvics for yeast infections, annual paps, ect. Doctor chat sites comment on fighting their urges. They are just men. My urologist was a truck driver before he went to school, still the same guy. One study showed attractive patients had more scheduled male gyno visits than there other patients. Our own church tells us this; unlike the other deadly sins, lust cannot be battled with a counter virtue. The only way a soul may survive is to flee and ray to the mother of God. Even the greatest of saints would flee such temptations that the ob/gyn schedules.

 

 

I will explain about the tribes once and then let it go, since I think you may be of a type that is not open to new information. Women's breasts are not sex organs. They are sexually erogenous zones, like the neck or ear.  In western society, women's breasts are sexually titillating because we as a society treat them as "private parts" which are revealed only during the sex act.  In our society they are thus immodest to reveal.  In societies in which human female breasts are seen as equivalent to cow utters - an organ with a childcare function - they do not have a role in developing sex norms you describe as "promiscuous." They attract the fascination and interest of children - not grown men. Interest in women's breasts is considered childish and unmasculine. Women in these very hot and primitive tribal environments nevertheless devise the means to cover their actual sex organs - their genitalia.

On to male obgyns...

It is true there is a long shameful history in medicine of physicians, and surgeons especially, performing procedures without a patient's consent. I am thinking of tubal ligation especially. A doctor - obgyn or not, male or not, has the opportunity to violate patients, especially when they are unconscious. In the recent past, western medicine had a paternalistic perspective on lay people overall and women especially. Doctors would not tell a patient if they had a terminal diagnosis, for example.  Physicians in the east - China, Japan, etc. still act this way.

While one might hope to avoid paternalism by opting for female doctors, I have not found this to be the case. Rather, female obgyns may have a gender-informed paternalism; with female doctors I have encountered the idea that as females with medical education they can "know" my experience better even than myself. Whereas in my experience, with male physicians there is some respect and reverence for the mystery of what being female is.  This is anecdotal but my point is, you cannot find safety from either perversion or paternalistic medicine by seeing a female physician. 

Lastly, to answer your question about Catholic hospitals. Patients may legally discriminate against doctors for racial reasons, gender reasons, whatever. Catholic hospitals really cannot express a prejudice against black doctors, male doctors, in whatever sub-specialty. Although in both popular culture and in traditionalist Catholic circles there is sometimes an unspoken assumption that males are more apt to commit sins re: concupiscence, there is no justification for this prejudice in the deposit of our faith. Therefore catholic hospitals cannot express prejudice against male obgyns on religious grounds.  Islamic religion on the other hand, does have this type of prejudice baked in (one of the reasons Islamic women in say, Saudi Arabia, are not permitted to even sit at a table with a man they are not related to.)
 

 

Edited November 17, 2020 by Lilllabettt

[Glory to God]

I can see you are a well spoken and intelligent person. Very nicely communicated thoughts. Thank you for your charitable response. I can only tell you, as a man, the thought of another man touching, looking, examining my wife's body in this way would be intolerable. After marriage, she has custody of my body and I hers. I know how most men objectify women and this includes doctors. Very interesting book written by a male gyno on why men should be banned from the practice (1992). My hope is this - soon Catholics will offer hospitals staffed only by women for women. Same for men. This could help preserve modesty and dignity in a time where these terms are unheard of. I believe they would be easy to staff with the increase in females in medicine, and easy to fill. A profitable business model. Nobody is forcing anybody to go, not like now if I need a colonoscopy with mixed company on the room. The main point with all of this would be this- let people who want to be modest be modest. Let patients keep their dignity, and never trust another man around your wife. Like you said, the doc's have to have a chaperone for a reason.

 

 

 

[Lilllabettt]

50 minutes ago, Glory to God said:

Like you said, the doc's have to have a chaperone for a reason.

Well, that is for peace of mind, for both of us. My doctor has this rule because he does not want to be falsley accused of sexual misconduct and the witness presents this from being a problem. Similarly. My husband is a police officer with a body camera. You might say my husband needs a body camera "for a reason"  - that he might mistreat people otherwise - but my husband cherishes the body camera and will not go to work without one. He considers it right up there with his body armor as necessary for his own protection. Many people who would make false complaints decide not to, after they realize they are being recorded.

The set up you describe, with all female doctors treating females and male doctors with male patients is the arrangement in Islamic societies, as those types of assumption are baked into their religion. It is alien to Christendom, however.
But there is no problem with females who prefer female obgyns as the majority of trainees in that specialty are female. Likewise with family medicine. However most sub-specialists are male.  You may be hard pressed to find a female anesthesiologist for example.

[Anastasia]

2 hours ago, Glory to God said:

I can only tell you, as a man, the thought of another man touching, looking, examining my wife's body in this way would be intolerable. After marriage, she has custody of my body and I hers.

It must go both sides then i.e. you must refrain from seeing female doctors, nurses etc.

[Guest]

5 hours ago, Lilllabettt said:

deliver human bowling balls thru the vagina.

[Glory to God]

The only field lacking female providers is radiologist, women make up about 25 percent. Men would lack nurses, holding only about 10 percent currently. Most other fields, like anastisia are about 40 percent female.