Credo in Deum Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Eternal rest grant unto him, O Lord, and let perpetual light shine upon him. May he rest in peace.Amen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 I don't like stifling discussion even when we don't like someone's opinions... thread open... [but it will likely now change topics into a brewing mod civil war mwahahahaha] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossCuT Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 I dont think its much about opinions at this point; its more about respect for the dead. If we can leave Robin Williams out of the discussion that would be mucho appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo in Deum Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 No civil war necessary. I submit to your meh wisdom good sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazeingstar Posted August 22, 2014 Author Share Posted August 22, 2014 (edited) Wait so the thread is unlocked? The point is about Robin Williams because he acted in a way that was harmful and caused grave hurt. The idea that his pain excused his act as a public sin is simply not so. His act excuses his soul, not his sin. His being a public figure put more on him, and then how people reacted, the Genie memes, etc put more on them. That his death reflected a movie, regardless of its satire, that launched a man into stardom based on the "suicide" is scary. The movie was geared towards the "be nice to eachother" message that that would prevent such tragic acts. But that's just as harmful as telling someone to cheer up. Situational depression and chemical depression are two different beasts. Edited August 22, 2014 by blazeingstar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo in Deum Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Kind of answered your own question with that post, buster brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anomaly Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 I was now made aware that he killed himself nearly in the same way that his character in "Father of the year" set up the accidental death of his son. In this movie the father glorified the suicide of his son. It's so sad only a few can see this. Blaze I defended the point that suicide is an inherently self focused (selfish) act, but it can't be claimed it always intentional that the effects on others are coherently considered and intentionally dismissed. That is a huge qualifier. I would suppose that Mr Williams was in such personal misery that he was incapable of valuing the love and acceptance of family and friends, not consciously rejecting it. That is the frightening aspect of serious depression. The inability of the person to see or feel something that is so essential for humans. I don't see anything contributive in speculating that Robin considered these things and rejected them. Blaze, Do you think Robin was acting intentionally and rationally selfish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazeingstar Posted August 22, 2014 Author Share Posted August 22, 2014 Blaze I defended the point that suicide is an inherently self focused (selfish) act, but it can't be claimed it always intentional that the effects on others are coherently considered and intentionally dismissed. That is a huge qualifier. I would suppose that Mr Williams was in such personal misery that he was incapable of valuing the love and acceptance of family and friends, not consciously rejecting it. That is the frightening aspect of serious depression. The inability of the person to see or feel something that is so essential for humans. I don't see anything contributive in speculating that Robin considered these things and rejected them. Blaze, Do you think Robin was acting intentionally and rationally selfish? First the act is ALWAYS selfish, the consequences always grave. Weather or not he was acting in a way which God will hold him accountable is another matter. The problem I have is not simply with the act, but with the overt way it was framed as a relief, escape, an excuse, moreso after it was discovered he suffered from a terminal disease. So my reply was just as much to him as many of the other articles addressed to him, after his death, were. The issue I have with the movie is that the boy was lauded for being so thoughtful, grateful, clever after his death even though it was a work of fiction from his father. The kindness, caring and outpouring in the screenplay certainly would affect someone suffering from depression greatly. Everything we do is an influence on our lives, and I can't imagine that the somewhat recently produced movie didn't have an impact on him. We watch the slow slide of celebrities all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anomaly Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Blaze, When you say ALWAYS selfish and comment on Gods judgement, I get confused. Are you saying Robin was rationally acting in a selfish manner, or leaving it up to God to know his mind and heart. I agree 100% that often the portrayal in movies and pop culture often show suicide as a worthy and justified act while trying to minimize the grief and pain of the people left behind. Often trying to tell them they should accept the suicide without any resentment. At the crux is really being able to forgive the wrong, but not denying the wrongness of some inflicted grief and pain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazeingstar Posted August 22, 2014 Author Share Posted August 22, 2014 Blaze, When you say ALWAYS selfish and comment on Gods judgement, I get confused. Are you saying Robin was rationally acting in a selfish manner, or leaving it up to God to know his mind and heart. I agree 100% that often the portrayal in movies and pop culture often show suicide as a worthy and justified act while trying to minimize the grief and pain of the people left behind. Often trying to tell them they should accept the suicide without any resentment. At the crux is really being able to forgive the wrong, but not denying the wrongness of some inflicted grief and pain. Why is that confusing? It is always wrong to drop-kick cute puppies. However, if an autistic/mentally challenged child kicks a puppy then it is no less wrong but he cannot comprehend the gravity of the matter. The puppy may suffer forever becuase the child did not understand that there was a difference between a live puppy and his beanie baby. Robin Willams may not be held liable for the damage he caused, but it's still there, so it's still wrong. It still causes pain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anomaly Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 I get you. Though your posts probably weren't as clear to some others. ;). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleWaySoul Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 I defended the point that suicide is an inherently self focused (selfish) act, but it can't be claimed it always intentional that the effects on others are coherently considered and intentionally dismissed. That is a huge qualifier. You just said what my next post was going to say. But you said it in two sentences instead of the 35 I was gonna use. Bravo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Anyone linked to Hyperbole and a Half, yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleWaySoul Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Anyone linked to Hyperbole and a Half, yet? Nope! You should! She has two great posts on depression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anastasia13 Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 I'm surprised this thread is still going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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