CrossCuT Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 (edited) Didn't go to school with no black kids? Didn't go to no black kid birthday parties? Unfortunately not very many. I was home schooled in the suburbs of Minnesota and then sent to a private catholic high school. There were few black kids ...not to mention Minnesota is not know for its diversity. Thats one thing my fiance noted (who is from NY) when he was visiting on the many occasions, "Where are all the black people?" Edited August 14, 2014 by CrossCuT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossCuT Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Well there's culpability, which basically means that it is a horrible sin but you don't get punished for it. But everyone else on earth does. How fair is that? So who is the selfish one in this situation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo in Deum Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 This entire thread is selfish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 (edited) Unfortunately not very many. I was home schooled in the suburbs of Minnesota and then sent to a private catholic high school. There were few black kids ...not to mention Minnesota is not know for its diversity. Thats one thing my fiance noted (who is from NY) when he was visiting on the many occasions, "Where are all the black people?" All of western Kansas might as well be called "Whiteland". My old town has zero black people, and so does my new one. Seeing a black person is like finding a four leaf clover, and I'm not even joking, it really is that rare, even in large towns like Wichita. I remember once in my old town, a high school bus full of basketball players from Kansas City stopped at the Kwik Shop, and everyone looked in awe at all the black guys. Edited August 14, 2014 by FetusPriest387 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 I am so sorry you have had these experiences, I am sorry people around you have taken their own lives. I pray that God is merciful to them, and that His healing power reaches out to all of you who have been affected. Amen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 (edited) So to add on to whoever might be reading this that it might strike at the right time: You are not a freak. You are not alone. You are not without hope. You are not just being selfish or self centered, you are not just being weak. This is not your fault, and your loved ones will understand that. It's not your fault. Find someone to talk to. It's been posted before on this thread, but again, 24/7, here's the suicide hotline you can call 1-800-273-8255. Edited August 14, 2014 by Lil Red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maximillion Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 How fair is that? Hmmm. I think maybe you might be on the wrong planet for fair............. Was it fair that Jesus died for us on the cross? Was it fair He lay dead in his Mother Mary's arms as tears no doubt ran down her face? For His faults? NO for ours. There are consequences to sin..........some of those consequences are not experienced directly in this life by the sinner but by those around him/her ( if we can actually speak of suicide in those terms, which, personally, I doubt, but anyways..). No it is not fair to be the relative of someone who has taken their own life. But that is the planet we are on. That is the consequence of the Fall. We are not asked to like it. But kicking and screaming it isn't fair won't change it, not this side of the Second Coming............... Did Christ not weep over the one who had sinned? Where is compassion in the cry 'it's not fair'? Where is the insight your Catholic faith brings, Blazingstar? Where is your acceptance of the pronouncements of the Church as pointed out in posts here? I don't think I ever read in the Bible that it would be fair, I never read anywhere "Jesus said unto them it will be fair and all will be just from now on." That is heaven..............that is what heaven means. We ain't there yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franciscanheart Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Do I really have to read everything before responding? Sigh. MORE LATER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazeingstar Posted August 14, 2014 Author Share Posted August 14, 2014 (edited) Hmmm. I think maybe you might be on the wrong planet for fair............. Was it fair that Jesus died for us on the cross? Was it fair He lay dead in his Mother Mary's arms as tears no doubt ran down her face? For His faults? NO for ours. There are consequences to sin..........some of those consequences are not experienced directly in this life by the sinner but by those around him/her ( if we can actually speak of suicide in those terms, which, personally, I doubt, but anyways..). No it is not fair to be the relative of someone who has taken their own life. But that is the planet we are on. That is the consequence of the Fall. We are not asked to like it. But kicking and screaming it isn't fair won't change it, not this side of the Second Coming............... Did Christ not weep over the one who had sinned? Where is compassion in the cry 'it's not fair'? Where is the insight your Catholic faith brings, Blazingstar? Where is your acceptance of the pronouncements of the Church as pointed out in posts here? I don't think I ever read in the Bible that it would be fair, I never read anywhere "Jesus said unto them it will be fair and all will be just from now on." That is heaven..............that is what heaven means. We ain't there yet. Umm, sorry that's exactly what I said just in a different way. Suicide is selfish because all sin is selfish. It is oriented towards self and causes sin and destruction. I have said NOTHING against Church teaching, nothing. I did not say people who commit suicide go to hell, or are hated by God. I have stated, on a few occasions now, that they do have diminished, if any, culpability. Still that doesn't change that the action is selfish. Saying "how fair is that?" is rhetorical, if not a bit sarcastic. OF COURSE it's not fair. It's not fair that children, parents and friends have to pay for a sin. The sinner themselves may not be held culpable for their sins, but those on Earth will most certainly pay for the sins. That's my point. And please, it's not necessary to use six zillion ellipsis to prove your point. It's hard on the eyes. Edited August 14, 2014 by blazeingstar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 I don't think I ever read in the Bible that it would be fair, I never read anywhere "Jesus said unto them it will be fair and all will be just from now on." That is heaven..............that is what heaven means. We ain't there yet. Actually, no. Sorry, but my inner theologian wanted to speak out. "Fairness" is not heaven or what heaven is for, because first of all, none of us deserve to go there. In a theological explanation, Father John Hardon explains heaven as "Being fully united with God and loving him as he loves himself." Fairness has nothing to do with that. Carry on with the suicide debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo in Deum Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Do I really have to read everything before responding? Sigh. MORE LATER. No, you don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anastasia13 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 No, you don't. I was about to say... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice_nine Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 well, this thread went just about as well as it could have gone given its controversial beginnings. I don't have much to add. As someone who used to suffer from suicidal ideation, I don't think someone calling me or implying that I was selfish would have immediately pushed me off the edge. It would have just confirmed how much of a piece of crap I really am. Kind of like Aloysiusness was saying, it certainly wouldn't have made me feel better and all I'd find myself asking is "do people really want me alive if I'm such a p.o.s? Maybe they don't know how terrible I really am, but they'd get over it if I was gone." Letting a person know that other people would be adversely affect by their suicide is one thing, but calling it "selfish" even if objectively it is selfish, helps no one in my opinion. It's almost an inflammatory word. Keep in mind that while depressed people may know intellectually somewhere that people care about them, they may feel like such a burden or such a leech to them that they either don't feel deserving of anyone's love or see somebody loving them as an utter impossibility. Implying that they're selfish, even if you only mean "suicide is objectively selfish I'm not saying the person is selfish" can actually harm them. More importantly, for the pholks of pm who suffer depression and or suicidal thoughts, you're in my prayers <3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archaeology cat Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 It turns out that he'd recently been diagnosed with Parkinson's, which increases risk of depression and suicide, too. My heart goes out to his family, and I pray for the repose of his soul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandelynmarie Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 :cry: :amen: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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