Lilllabettt Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Assuming that war does not happen on planet earth unless the United States chooses to allow it, should we intervene to end the war against Christians in Iraq? Mostly I am interested in the opinion of people who did not favor US intervention in Syria. Are they equally reluctant to intervene in Iraq, and if not, why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not The Philosopher Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 I am still mulling this over, but the situation in Syria was a case of evil vs. evil as opposed to Iraq where you have ISIS lashing out at groups of more or less powerless people. I'd say that makes it easier to make a case for intervention in the latter than in the former Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 No, no, and no. We are not the world's police. We need to keep our gigantic nose out of everyone's business and focus on our own defense. A staggering majority of our military is overseas. What if we were invaded? Our military is a defensive force, not an invasion force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 No, no, and no. We are not the world's police. We need to keep our gigantic nose out of everyone's business and focus on our own defense. A staggering majority of our military is overseas. What if we were invaded? Our military is a defensive force, not an invasion force. This seems to be a very American view, but not a very Catholic (universal) one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 This seems to be a very American view, but not a very Catholic (universal) one. Show me a Church document saying we should invade every country on earth in the name of imperialism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilllabettt Posted August 7, 2014 Author Share Posted August 7, 2014 (edited) No, no, and no. We are not the world's police. We need to keep our gigantic nose out of everyone's business and focus on our own defense. A staggering majority of our military is overseas. What if we were invaded? Our military is a defensive force, not an invasion force. Invaded by Canadians? or by Mexicans, you racist. Have you ever seen Hotel Rwanda? Sorry, whenever I have this discussion I always ask this question. The answer is important. Edited August 7, 2014 by Lilllabettt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Invaded by Canadians? or by Mexicans, you racist. Have you ever seen Hotel Rwanda? Sorry, whenever I have this discussion I always ask this question. The answer is important. Never seen the movie, but once at a Catholic conference a survivor of the Rwandan genocide came and gave a talk about her experiences and what it was like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Show me a Church document saying we should invade every country on earth in the name of imperialism. People building empires usually stay. We bomb stuff, fix it, and then leave. What's going on in Iraq is genocide, and we should be putting a stop to it. We should have intervened in Cambodia and Rwanda too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 People building empires usually stay. We bomb stuff, fix it, and then leave. What's going on in Iraq is genocide, and we should be putting a stop to it. We should have intervened in Cambodia and Rwanda too. It honestly depends on the situation. Is there a genocide going on and the government of that country is doing nothing/nothing effective? Then yes, we should aid them. But is it a mere issue of one country wanting another's land, like Russia and Ukraine? If so, we should have no part of petty squabbles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilllabettt Posted August 7, 2014 Author Share Posted August 7, 2014 FP, I suggest you see the movie. It includes a fairly accurate telling of how the West made its decision not to intervene in the genocide there. Dare you to watch it and not hang your head. Bill Clinton: we could have saved 300,000 lives in Rwanda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 I think Canada is a better candidate to affect an intervention, because we have a history of actual peacekeeping as opposed to bombing them into the stone age and calling it square. :| ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilllabettt Posted August 7, 2014 Author Share Posted August 7, 2014 Syrian Civilian Death toll reaches 54,000, including 8,600 children. A war cannot happen on planet earth unless America chooses to allow it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 (edited) I don't know if it's as simple as "we should go help" or "we should mind our own business." We were there (albeit for different reasons). We were asked to leave and almost as soon as we did the poop hit the fan. As a human being that values life I feel that putting a stop to this genocide is the right thing to do. Looking at past success/failure I don't see American (Or Canadian, or European, or anyone else, really) intervention over there having lasting success. Say we go over there, we stop it for a little while. Not long after we go back home they start again. I'm not saying American lives are more valuable or anything like that. I just don't think we can effect a lasting change. I think the cause is just, most certainly. Probability of success, not so much, sadly. Success over there is fleeting. Personally, the idea of going back over there worries me. All that said, I asked my husband, who has served in both Iraq and Afghanistan. He agreed, success over there will not last. But if he were asked he'd go back in a heartbeat. Even if in a couple years down the road, after we were gone, the genocide started up again. He'd do what he could while he had the chance. I think that's the right answer. You do what you can to fight evil. Edited August 8, 2014 by IcePrincessKRS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilllabettt Posted August 8, 2014 Author Share Posted August 8, 2014 I don't know if it's as simple as "we should go help" or "we should mind our own business." We were there (albeit for different reasons). We were asked to leave and almost as soon as we did the poop hit the fan. As a human being that values life I feel that putting a stop to this genocide is the right thing to do. Looking at past success/failure I don't see American (Or Canadian, or European, or anyone else, really) intervention over there having lasting success. Say we go over there, we stop it for a little while. Not long after we go back home they start again. I'm not saying American lives are more valuable or anything like that. I just don't think we can effect a lasting change. I think the cause is just, most certainly. Probability of success, not so much, sadly. Success over there is fleeting. Personally, the idea of going back over there worries me. All that said, I asked my husband, who has served in both Iraq and Afghanistan. He agreed, success over there will not last. But if he were asked he'd go back in a heartbeat. Even if in a couple years down the road, after we were gone, the genocide started up again. He'd do what he could while he had the chance. I think that's the right answer. You do what you can to fight evil. how do you feel about intervention in Syria? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 FP, I suggest you see the movie. It includes a fairly accurate telling of how the West made its decision not to intervene in the genocide there. Dare you to watch it and not hang your head. Bill Clinton: we could have saved 300,000 lives in Rwanda Watching the movie now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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