Gnostic Christian Bishop Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Is it foolish to call God, “Father� As above, so below says the Lord’s Prayer. God’s first legal decision has him demanding that Jesus be a human sacrifice to rescind God’s own condemnation of his own creation. 1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake. Quite good for Christians, --- while quite evil to others who do not condone human sacrifice, --- just because a God whose reality has yet to be shown demands it. The main point is; would any father or mother who reads this O. P., ever choose such a sacrifice, given that other venues were available as they were with God? Your own answer says that you would expect a Father to find another way and that such a God is not a worthy God. Do you agree that to call God, Father, is to insult the word father, --- as no human father would be so evil. Is it foolish to call God, Father? Regards DL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Did you not already post this one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo in Deum Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Is it foolish to call God, “Father� As above, so below says the Lord’s Prayer. God’s first legal decision has him demanding that Jesus be a human sacrifice to rescind God’s own condemnation of his own creation. 1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake. Where does God demand this? Quite good for Christians, --- while quite evil to others who do not condone human sacrifice, --- just because a God whose reality has yet to be shown demands it.The main point is; would any father or mother who reads this O. P., ever choose such a sacrifice, given that other venues were available as they were with God? Your own answer says that you would expect a Father to find another way and that such a God is not a worthy God. Do you agree that to call God, Father, is to insult the word father, --- as no human father would be so evil. Is it foolish to call God, Father? Regards DL Wait so God's ways are not our ways and His thoughts are not our thoughts? Say it ain't so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dairygirl4u2c Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 the only sacrifice God made through Jesus was not fighting back when he could have. it was not a legal penal substitution sacrifice. Jesus was then able to defeat evil, sin, and death.... this is the same Jesus who preached the kingdom of God based on love. we should only be so lucky as to call God Father. But, that was what Jesus taught us to pray... "Our Father...". it was not common in Jesus's days to call God father.... but that's what we're taught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benedictus Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 (edited) Is it foolish to call God, “Father� No. He is the father of all. Not exactly a giant leap of logic here. Language has specific uses - This is just one of them. As above, so below says the Lord’s Prayer. A prayer taught by Jesus. So your implied logic is that Jesus is dumb to suggest we do this. God’s first legal decision has him demanding that Jesus be a human sacrifice to rescind God’s own condemnation of his own creation. It was not a demand. It was an anointing, a being chosen. Jesus, being fully human and divine, was obedient to being the Christ. His action wasn't simply human, but divine. I don't really affirm your distinctions between God and Jesus as outlined here either. Quite good for Christians, --- while quite evil to others who do not condone human sacrifice, --- just because a God whose reality has yet to be shown demands it. Love always requires sacrifice. I think you miss the point totally. When we are totally filled with Gods spirit and love we make sacrifices for other people, not out of ego or self interest. In Jesus God become manifest in order to have a personal relationship with humanity (what it is to be human) and to show them how to love and live. The Gospels are more for our benefit, not Gods. Likwise the sacrifice was for our benefit, not Gods. It is a mark of his grace on the whole world. In terms of human sacrifice - are you against soldiers dying in order to protect you? What about police and those volunteers in war zones? What about a mother dying to protect her children? Are these evil human sacrifices to you? The main point is; would any father or mother who reads this O. P., ever choose such a sacrifice, given that other venues were available as they were with God? It doesn't matter what we think we'd do. Opinion is opinion, as ignorance is just ignorance. I think God incarnate in a very personal form, being among us, isn't some lame thing. Your own answer says that you would expect a Father to find another way and that such a God is not a worthy God. erm, no. Do you agree that to call God, Father, is to insult the word father, --- as no human father would be so evil. No - so now you're saying humans are more divine than God when we know that men are very capable of being terrible fathers. Is it foolish to call God, Father? No I have no idea what kind of gnostic you think you are but I think you need to rethink who is holding a false notion here. If you think the 'father' is the demiurge, then what are you saying Jesus is and how does this relate to the Lords prayer? Do you think this a fabrication or something else? Maybe unpack some of you beliefs and then we'll all know. Edited July 26, 2014 by Benedictus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clare Brigid Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 I have made available in PDF the chapter, "The Eucharistic Sacrifice," from Christ the Life of the Soul, by Bl. Columba Marmion: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0By201atJ8NK1UzFpRHdvRktaa1E/edit?hl=en&forcehl=1 The whole book is excellent, but I have valued this chapter in particular for teaching me the spiritual meaning and necessity of sacrifice in worship. Marmion explains that sacrifice is necessary to express one's complete dependence on God, and how immolation of the victim follows from this. I highly recommend this chapter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 No. Regards DL Is that "no" as in "no I did not not already post this"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo in Deum Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 The Bible says, --- It ain't so. Otherwise A & E could not have become as Gods. Regards DL Where does the Bible state it? You made the accusation, now back it up. No, the enticement to become as God's was part of the temptation (lie) the serpent told Adam and Eve. God never told them they would become as God's. In fact he told them the opposite. He said the day you eat of it you will surely die the death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo in Deum Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 God confirms that here. Gen 3;22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: There was a number of consequences and benefits to eating of the tree of knowledge. Ever wonder why the serpent told A & E more of them than God did and did you not ever wonder why God wold add on a bunch of punishments that A & E only knew of through the serpent? God is definitely a liar by neglect so I am not sure if the serpent lied at all. We can definitely see that God did by omission. Regards DL Ver. 22. Behold Adam, &c. This was spoken by way of reproaching him with his pride, in affecting a knowledge that might make him like to God. (Challoner) --- "These are the words of God, not insulting over man, but deterring others from an imitation of his pride." Not only did Adam and Eve not become like God's. but God in a sense reproached them for entertaining the thought that they ever could or would become like God's. This was done as the commentary says to show the utter pride a created being has to say it can know something as the Creator knows it and therefore be on equal level with God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo in Deum Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 I will ignore yours. Regards DL You promise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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