Maggyie Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Anybody keeping up with the disaster in St Paul-Minneapolis? http://www.mprnews.org/story/2014/04/22/archbishop-nienstedt-deposition Apparenty the former chief canon lawyer of the archdiocese turned whistleblower. I don't think this is going to stop until there is actual zero-tolerance for cover ups, including for bishops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandelynmarie Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 :ohno: The bishop needs to have a zero-tolerance approach...I find his actions or lack thereof reprehensible. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisa Marie Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 I think you're right - and we're going to keep hearing about things like this until they're all rooted out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlesister Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 MPR is not the most Catholic-friendly station on the planet. I would take their slant on most things with a grain of salt. Not condoning the mistakes, but people do the best they can in any given situation. Besides, how many of the allegations against the Bishop have been proven? In an earlier day, pedophilia was considered curable. By the late 70's-80's it was considered controllable, i.e. offenders could do their therapy and go back to work. Sadly, experience finally proved that it is neither one nor the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandelynmarie Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Ain't that the truth. There needs to be a community dedicated to helping such priests. They could enter for counseling, therapy, prayer & penance. It would be for life, but it would be better than "watching" them. Kyrie Eleison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggyie Posted July 17, 2014 Author Share Posted July 17, 2014 MPR is not the most Catholic-friendly station on the planet. I would take their slant on most things with a grain of salt. Not condoning the mistakes, but people do the best they can in any given situation. Besides, how many of the allegations against the Bishop have been proven? In an earlier day, pedophilia was considered curable. By the late 70's-80's it was considered controllable, i.e. offenders could do their therapy and go back to work. Sadly, experience finally proved that it is neither one nor the other. You see I think this is part of the issue. Yes the media can be pretty anti-Catholic, but they also tell us the truths we prefer to turn away from. They got the story because the lead canon lawyer threw her hands up in disgust and went to the police and the media. She's not anti-Catholic. She just gave up trying to get the leaders to do the right thing. If you read the deposition, what the Archbishop himself admits to, it's pretty damning. This is not long-ago stuff either - this is molestation that was actively happening in 2012. We can't just say it was an 80s or 70s or whatever decade in the past. It's now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superblue Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 In an earlier day, pedophilia was considered curable. By the late 70's-80's it was considered controllable, i.e. offenders could do their therapy and go back to work. Sadly, experience finally proved that it is neither one nor the other. Just recently ,one of the priests' in my town had been accused of something similar, the bishop took the time to assess things but then had posted on the diocese website addressed the issue and had the newly appointed rector of the cathedral address the situation via a statement issued by the bishop... it made everyone I knew sick to their stomach..... Though he did not have his statement read at every church in the area, it was merely stated at the one church where the school was near, and then posted to the website, we have heard no other news since other than he was removed from what ever it was he was appointed to at the time. Now if I had my choice I would have preferred the bishop actually either create a video to be played after mass, or have created a short video to post on the diocesan website addressing the issue instead of having a new priest assigned to the cathedral read a statement. but what ever. I don't know if Bishops' don't get or are too afraid to do the right thing, which would merely be removing the priest from said duties until either the allegations are proven false by law enforcement, and not engaging in a private investigation and then sweeping everything under the rug via filing everything away in a file some where and hope no one ever finds out. And one can rebut that we have no idea what bishops do or do not do, and that would be true because there is a such a lack of transparency. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28282050 is a link to some kind of weird report on some kind of supposed 2% are abusive, if it were 1% or even just one person, it would still be too many, the Vatican lacks tremendous transparency on the issue, on what measures they are going to take to protect the people in the future, what is the punishment going to be placed on those in the present, and how is the Vatican / the Church going to interact with law enforcement on the matter. supposedly Mexico is harboring around 40 or so suspected or actual abusive priests that where swept into Mexico for a variety of reasons, one being that the Church is so hard pressed to fill voids in the priesthood for parishes.. I would hope that is not the case. The Church would have more international respect by punishing everyone involved a.s.a.p., and it would be better for all those involved or are presently involved to be punished and suffer now than to escape punishment by law enforcement and the Pope, an end up in hell. But I doubt this problem will ever go away, and it probably is a reminder how real satan is and the means and lengths he goes to , in trying to destroy everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Sickening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maximillion Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Stuff like this makes me so sad, and occasionally challenges my loyalty to the Church........ Praying, for all involved, and me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Yea same here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo in Deum Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Stuff like this makes me so sad, and occasionally challenges my loyalty to the Church........ Praying, for all involved, and me! Yea same here. Stay strong friends! It helps nothing when we leave the Church. We have the Mass and the ability to offer our Masses for the healing and unity of the Church. Nothing is hopeless when we have Jesus who can do all things! "Who then shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation? or distress? or famine? or nakedness? or danger? or persecution? or the sword?.....For I am sure that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor might, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." -Romans 8:35,38-39. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 My Father used to say that it was a shame that Jesus had to leave his perfect Church in the hands of imperfect humans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissylou Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 I can be very sympathetic to officials in an earlier generation where the experts were saying that pedophilia could be successfully treated or controlled. Now we understand differently, but to the extent people were following the most reasonable advice they had at the time and really following a God who combines both justice and mercy wouldn't that make sense? I can be very sympathetic to accusations coming to light now saying that terrible things happened 30 years ago. How do you even go about investigating that? When we're talking about the last five years, my sympathy has run out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semper Catholic Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 My Father used to say that it was a shame that Jesus had to leave his perfect Church in the hands of EVIL humans. Fixed that for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Ain't that the truth. There needs to be a community dedicated to helping such priests. Called "prison." Life sentence, no parole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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