1054 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 It would be interesting to know if Tia considers herself transgendered or whether that was included by the journalist. In my mind the pastoral care for a transgendered individual and a hermaphrodite would be quite different, but then that is pure speculation as I have no personal experience in this matter. It seems to me the only quotation where she mentions the LGBT community is: “Forgiveness needs to begin somewhere,†she says. “It needs to begin with us, all of us, those in the LGBT community and those of the Christian faith.†From the article we don't know whether she says this in response to a specific question asked or because she feels part of this community. I suppose the answers on how she views her situation would most likely be included in her book... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazeingstar Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 This is where I think the "lgbtq" community has gone too far. This poor person was born with ambiguous genitalia. There must be other tests, like DNA that would help determine what sex is the legitimate one. Even so, with the questions, there is the right to choose. Parents should not be making the decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossCuT Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 (edited) I have no problems with it. Theyve had a hard card handed to them but I dont see why it would make them less able to devote their spiritual life to Christ in the form of a religious calling. Edited July 16, 2014 by CrossCuT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perigrina Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 This is a good example of how the media distorts things. This person is not a "transgender trailblazer." Portraying this person's condition as transgenderism is a way to cloud the issue. Transgenderism is a psychological disorder analogous to anorexia - the person's self perception does not match reality. http://online.wsj.com/articles/paul-mchugh-transgender-surgery-isnt-the-solution-1402615120 Quote The transgendered suffer a disorder of "assumption" like those in other disorders familiar to psychiatrists. With the transgendered, the disordered assumption is that the individual differs from what seems given in nature—namely one's maleness or femaleness. Other kinds of disordered assumptions are held by those who suffer from anorexia and bulimia nervosa, where the assumption that departs from physical reality is the belief by the dangerously thin that they are overweight. With body dysmorphic disorder, an often socially crippling condition, the individual is consumed by the assumption "I'm ugly." These disorders occur in subjects who have come to believe that some of their psycho-social conflicts or problems will be resolved if they can change the way that they appear to others. Such ideas work like ruling passions in their subjects' minds and tend to be accompanied by a solipsistic argument. Quote You won't hear it from those championing transgender equality, but controlled and follow-up studies reveal fundamental problems with this movement. When children who reported transgender feelings were tracked without medical or surgical treatment at both Vanderbilt University and London's Portman Clinic, 70%-80% of them spontaneously lost those feelings. Some 25% did have persisting feelings; what differentiates those individuals remains to be discerned. Quote A 2011 study at the Karolinska Institute in Sweden produced the most illuminating results yet regarding the transgendered, evidence that should give advocates pause. The long-term study—up to 30 years—followed 324 people who had sex-reassignment surgery. The study revealed that beginning about 10 years after having the surgery, the transgendered began to experience increasing mental difficulties. Most shockingly, their suicide mortality rose almost 20-fold above the comparable nontransgender population. This disturbing result has as yet no explanation but probably reflects the growing sense of isolation reported by the aging transgendered after surgery. The high suicide rate certainly challenges the surgery prescription. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemma Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 I was thinking about how important it could be to become a nun instead of a monk. There's not necessarily a big difference in the style of living. However if it is clear to the person that she feels attracted (if any) to men and not to women, she shouldn't enter a male convent. Sorry if this is too practically in thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo in Deum Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 I think this is a private matter that was made public for no other reason than sensationalism. I think Tia, knowing the times we live in, should have practiced prudence and kept this private. I think the article cares little for the call to religious life and more about pushing the LGBT(insert letter here)'s agenda into the Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1054 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Props to Perigrina for the information! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazeingstar Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 I think this is a private matter that was made public for no other reason than sensationalism. I think Tia, knowing the times we live in, should have practiced prudence and kept this private. I think the article cares little for the call to religious life and more about pushing the LGBT(insert letter here)'s agenda into the Church. Which is why the LGBTQ crowd is so dangerous. This is not an issue for them to really be dealing with, yet they have sunk their tentacles into this situation and around this woman so that there is no hope of her ever living a normal life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perigrina Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 But does hermaphroditism even exist? Do not DNA tell something about people's sex/gender? Do Church look at medical professionals in order to solve this problem? There are conditions in which there are genitals of both sexes and conditions in which apparent sex does not match DNA. These are physical conditions that require physical treatments. Of course, the Church expects medical professionals to deal with them. The article cited in the OP tries to make people think that this is comparable to people with a psychological condition in which they perceive themselves as a sex other than the one of their body. The article is an example of blatant agenda pushing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Which is why the LGBTQ crowd is so dangerous. This is not an issue for them to really be dealing with, yet they have sunk their tentacles into this situation and around this woman so that there is no hope of her ever living a normal life. Irony overload :O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazeingstar Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Irony overload :o Sexual organs are a private matter. the LGBTQ crowd has made sex a public issue. Quite frankly, it's not. This person has a legitimate claim to both genders. At birth, adults decided that masculitity was the best choice. Apparently, it's not. Rather than handling this in a modest, quiet way, that would of allowed this woman to quielty live her life and transition to the gender that allows her to fill her vocation. While her superiors could be aware, no one else needs to know. But to the LGBTQ crowd this is seen as some kind of sick victory that a transgender man became a woman and is now discerning being a nun. The problem is that she was never a man, and therefore never transgender. If allowed to enter a convent it will be because she has risen above her physical abnormalities, not because she altered her body to go with her beliefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossCuT Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 I dont think they are intending to make their sexual organs a public matter..thats more a result of them making their identity a public matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazeingstar Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 I dont think they are intending to make their sexual organs a public matter..thats more a result of them making their identity a public matter. In the case of hermaphodites, born with ambiguous genetalia, the gender situation is far different than a person who feels they are the other gender but has non-ambiguous genetlia. For instance, the little girl in Califiornia who's being raised as a boy could never enter a monistary. She will always be a girl. The saddest thing is that this pre-pubescent child is being forced deeper into gender roles and being praised for being "a natural boy" at things like waterskiing and karate, which are not gender-bound. I degress.Transgender comes with the implication that a person was born with genetlia incompatible to their feelings. This is not the case in this story and it is being overtaken as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 It's not really transgender if you're a hermaphrodite. In doubtful matters, charity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo in Deum Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 It's not really transgender if you're a hermaphrodite. In doubtful matters, charity? Who are you and what have you done with Winchester!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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