Ice_nine Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 I didn't say it was impossible, just more difficult if you cannot receive in the hand. The carelessness is the largest problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superblue Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 (edited) If this problem of black masses and hosts being stolen is such a rampant problem, has the Church ever addressed it or suggested an answer for the problem ? Edited July 12, 2014 by superblue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazeingstar Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 I didn't say it was impossible, just more difficult if you cannot receive in the hand. The carelessness is the largest problem. My point is that its very easy to blame that carelessness to receiving on the hand, however, that would be remiss in itself. It is dangerous to blame the way it is received on the issue of theft or disbelief. It was a problem before and even lead to Eucharistic Miracles. It is now a problem again. To claim that reception on the hand is innately more prone to abuse is to misunderstand what is causing the abuse. Reception on the hand can be a beautiful thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortify ii Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Well with a significant number of priests believing in transignification there is a serious question whether the transubstantiation even occurs since proper intention is necessary. So this might actual be a case where the turmoil we are in may serve to protect us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luigi Posted July 15, 2014 Author Share Posted July 15, 2014 In the thread on the Anglicans removing mention of the devil from their baptismal formula, it says the Anglican understanding is that "The Devil is that part of the psyche that urges us towards what is against reason... " So to conflate that thread with this one... could we say that this event in Oklahoma City will be: A Mass to Honor That Part of the Psyche That Urges Us Towards What Is Against Reason? Much more appealing than a Black Mass or a Satanic Mass, wouldn't you agree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandelynmarie Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 (edited) At the very least...but we know it's much more than that... Edited July 15, 2014 by brandelynmarie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 http://archokc.org/put-out-into-the-deep/3532-deliver-us-from-evil-amen What the Archbishop thinks about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
He is Risen! Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 It hasn't happened yet. Maybe we could bombard the civic center with letters and phone calls? (and of course prayers) I'm sure their information would be easy enough to find. If enough people tell them that this is bigoted, hateful, etc. maybe they would be swayed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 I took the Bar exam in that building. On the second day, Arrowsmith was practicing upstairs. They had a concert that night. It's a wonder any of us passed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmaD2006 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 It hasn't happened yet. Maybe we could bombard the civic center with letters and phone calls? (and of course prayers) I'm sure their information would be easy enough to find. If enough people tell them that this is bigoted, hateful, etc. maybe they would be swayed. Hopefully enough people (especially locally) will act before Sept. 21. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superblue Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 Just wanted to say I heard this story briefly mentioned on Catholic Answers radio today while driving around, there was brief mention of the Bishop for that diocese making a comment, do not remember what it was..... If the Bishop of that diocese where this is taking place, is as troubled as rightly should be, would it be absurd for him to go to where ever this happening and attempt to stop the action and retrieve the host, or at least bring people ( Catholics ) to protest this desecration taking place .... ( not really wanting to call it a black mass, as it seems to me to be giving the action some kind of validity I feel it is more appropriate to call it an action or desecration ) More over, would it be too much to post the contact information here on this forum of the place where this is taking place to voice ones concern. When I was on a conservation forum we found it useful to only post the email and physical address and phone number of the place, embassy, or whom ever that there was concern with, but to also contact the local mayor and or city officials by the same manner. The emphasis being professional , polite , and brief, with the intention of addressing something we felt was wrong or immoral, we never took credit for anything, but at the least it felt nice to do something. And at best it became a big warning signal to anyone who read it that more and more people were taking notice of what was happening in their town or what their company was doing. Or is such an action not really warranted by clergy or lay people ? I would find it very odd for a Bishop to do nothing but make a statement on such a thing, versus being involved physically in the " fight for religious freedom " , seems like we are picking and choosing now when we are going to be offended ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 If this problem of black masses and hosts being stolen is such a rampant problem, has the Church ever addressed it or suggested an answer for the problem ? Can we prosecute them on theft charges? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
He is Risen! Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 Superblue, I'm not sure if I understand what you are saying. Do you mean that you think it would be a good idea to send letters to the city/ hall officials or a bad idea? I think that to desecrate the Holy Eucharist is one of the saddest things that a person could do and that we should at least make an attempt of some sort to stop it. What did you mean about picking and choosing when we are going to be offended? I certainly don't want to do anything to make the situation worse, but maybe a polite letter coming from concerned people would at least give them second thoughts. It would be so heartbreaking to see them actually carry something like this out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superblue Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Superblue, I'm not sure if I understand what you are saying. Do you mean that you think it would be a good idea to send letters to the city/ hall officials or a bad idea? I think that to desecrate the Holy Eucharist is one of the saddest things that a person could do and that we should at least make an attempt of some sort to stop it. What did you mean about picking and choosing when we are going to be offended? I certainly don't want to do anything to make the situation worse, but maybe a polite letter coming from concerned people would at least give them second thoughts. It would be so heartbreaking to see them actually carry something like this out. sorry for the delay, I am asking would it be a good or bad idea, and perhaps it is not a bad idea to try an file charges of theft in this instance, could we imagine what would happen in say a synagogue or mosque if someone who was not apart of that faith walked in during the service pretended to participate then walked out with an item of importance from that service and thusly desecrated it. That might actually be a good question to pose to that specific Bishop on this issue in regards to theft if it is an option.... and what I meant about picking and choosing to be offended on , The Eucharist is everything I cant understand transubstantiation how the heck I spelt it correctly the first time out is amazing, I don't understand why there is no physical DNA in either species and why Christ chose to become bread and wine, that is another debate , but this is the body of Christ, seems like there should be as much offense taken on this black mass in protest as there has been over the topic of religious freedom in America, that is where I am referencing picking and choosing. So basically I am speaking towards protesting, good or bad idea, and under the impression it would be civilized , one can speak harshly with out being threatening and do it in a polite manner. OR does this fall under the category of turning the other cheek ? maybe it is I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luigi Posted July 25, 2014 Author Share Posted July 25, 2014 Here's a link to the Oklahoma Civic Center's web page. http://okcciviccenter.com/contact.php Under "Administration," you'll find a hyperlink through which you can e-mail Ms. Lindsey-McClintock, the public relations person. I expressed my shock, dismay, and disappointment to her this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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