Guest Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 happen everyday in America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 (edited) Saw the movie and read the book for Heaven is for Real. I liked it although I've seen mixed reviews. The family still lives in the same small town and the father is still a Pastor. Skeptics can say it's a hallucination and it's all in the brain but the 4 year old met a sister he never knew he had. His parents didn't tell him she existed and was a miscarriage. The 4 year old also saw his dad alone locked in a room at the hospital screaming at God while he was being operated on. Pretty convincing argument for life after death and consciousness outside the body in my opinion. The only other explanation is that the Burpo family are liars. Edited July 9, 2014 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandelynmarie Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 I actually enjoy watching people recount them on YouTube. :tv: Some touch my heart more than others & I admit to watching them "with a grain of salt" as there are a wide range of experiences. One of my favorite books about NDE's was called Return From Tomorrow...absolutely fascinating! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 I will have to check it out and read it. Interesting and fascinating stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandelynmarie Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 www.cbn.com/700club/guests/bios/don_piper_070914.aspx CBN has some amazing articles & videos too. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 An Ohio man is claiming that he traveled to heaven and back again during a recent near-death experience. Brian Miller, 41, was hospitalized after suffering a major heart attack. While he was doing well at first, his heart eventually went into a deadly arrhythmia called Ventricular fibrillation, described by the Mayo Clinic as “a … rhythm problem that occurs when the heart beats with rapid, erratic electrical impulses.†Brian Miller nearly died following a massive heart attack (Image source: WJW-TV) Miller nearly died as hospital workers worked feverishly to get his heart working again. “He had no heart rate, he had no blood pressure, he had no pulse, I mean think about that,†nurse Emily Bishop told WJW-TV. It was during this time that Miller said he saw the light at the end of a heavenly tunnel — and was told by his recently-deceased mother-in-law that he needed to return to his body, WJW-TV reported. “The only thing I remember, I started seeing a light and started walking towards the light,†he said, describing flowers that were along his path. Miller claimed his mother-in-law appeared, with his father-in-law who is also deceased waving to him from afar. “She was the most beautiful thing when I seen her. It was like the first day I met her. And looked so happy,†Miller said. “She grabbed a hold of my arm and she told me, ‘It’s not your time, you don’t need to be here … you’ve got things to go down and do.†Meanwhile, hospital staffers were working feverishly to get Miller’s heart moving again. Despite shocking him four times, though, his body wasn’t responding. Then, Bishop said Miller’s pulse started moving again on its own. “His brain had no oxygen for 45 minutes, so the fact that he is up walking, talking, everything — I mean that’s amazing,†the nurse told WJW-TV. Miller said the experience has changed his views on life after death. “There is an afterlife and people need to believe in it big time,†he explained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Peaceful Blue Light Shining from Heaven I was struck in the face by a pickup truck that was being driven by a drunk driver. He was travelling at 78 miles per hour in a 25 zone. I knew I was going to be crushed in two as soon as the truck began to break my ribs. My body and soul separated. It was like I was tumbled into the ocean, head over feet for a few seconds. Then, I was walking in the street. I was not aware that my body was elsewhere. I experienced bliss and peace in this velvety black night. There was a soft blue illumination. I took four steps (two to the left and two to the right), and then the peace was shattered by my friend screaming my name. I had been walking toward a tunnel, and standing near the entrance was my skating coach who had died when I was 16. I turned around (annoyed), and then I saw my body crumpled halfway under my crushed car. My first thought was "How can I be over there and over here at the same time?" Then I walked back to my body and looked a little closer. I thought to myself "That body is still viable. How strange is this? I get to decide to stay or go back." I thought how I wanted to meet someone, get married, have kids, and that I didn't want to destroy my parents; they are so loving. I also wanted to stay very much. I thought, "I know, I'll just ask God. God is here and he will know what I should do.†I did not see God (or Jesus either for that matter), but it seemed like God was looking over my left shoulder. God said, "Go back" and I said, “Ok.†I was shown some things (most of which I do not remember), and then I turned into mist and re-entered my body through the top of my head. After I re-entered my body, I had tunnel vision. The EMT kept a point of touch with me in the ambulance, which helped a lot because I kept fighting not to float back out of my body. The hospital released me very quickly; they made an error and thought I was uninsured. My parents took me home to their house, and I woke up in my childhood bedroom. There was no other furniture but the bed (I took it all, plus the cat to my apartment). I had not looked in a mirror since the accident, and when I awoke I wondered if my memories were real. I remembered that there had been a small, eighth of an inch trickle of blood coming out of my left ear. I had observed this from the outside. So, I decided that if I looked in the bathroom mirror and there was blood, that I had consciously experienced being out of my body. No blood is equal to no real memory. There was blood there. Then I demanded that my mom drive me down to the accident scene. It was about 9:30-10:00 am. When we arrived at the scene, no cleanup had begun yet. There were five totaled vehicles, and the truck that hit me was about a quarter of a mile past the spot where it hit me--still upside down. The EMT who had held me in my body was standing in the exact spot where I had been crumpled under my car. It was creepy. I approached him and told him so. I asked if he had often returned to the scene of accidents. He looked surprised and said "never before" and he told me he had been an EMT for 10 years. I said "Why me? Why now?" He said, "I saw this peaceful blue light shining down from heaven just on you, and it felt so wonderful; it was the very presence of God. I just wanted to bask in it." I stupidly asked "Why didn't you?" He said he had to get me to the hospital. Then he said that he had returned to the scene just as soon as his shift had ended to see if the blue light was still there. He announced that it was gone. Then he looked me straight in the eyes and said, "Were you with God last night?" I said, "Yes." Then I clammed up about it and never told a soul for four years. On the four-year anniversary of the accident, I told my friend how she had saved my life. I was very anxious when telling her. It took almost an hour to stammer out to her that I believed I had died that night. She then exclaimed, "I know you died." I was stunned. I asked her how she knew, and she said my eyes were open, and no one was home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 I find NDEs to be very interesting. The people that experience them insist that what they experienced wasn't a dream or hallucination, many have been chronic drug users that know the difference. Another was a neurologist who was struck with meningitis and insisted that the parts of his brain that would have been affected by the illness had been shut down -- the sensory experience he had would have been physically impossible to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Eben Alexander. Read his book. Enjoyed it although he claims reincarnation exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 (edited) There's a August 2013 study from Michigan neurosurgeons on rats that show brain levels spike to levels higher then they are at while conscience 30 seconds after death. They claim this proves why the nde happens and why it seems more real then any reality previously experienced. Although a case like Eben Alexander who you mentioned challenges this theory. Edited July 10, 2014 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 The thing about NDEs, for me, is that we are still just human beings experiencing them. Much like people that go on pilgrimages, I think. I don't take them as clear sources of truth in themselves but certainly food for thought that something is going on beyond what we have here and now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 A surge of electrical activity in the brain could be responsible for the vivid experiences described by near-death survivors, scientists report. A study carried out on dying rats found high levels of brainwaves at the point of the animals' demise. US researchers said that in humans this could give rise to a heightened state of consciousness. The research is published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. The lead author of the study, Dr Jimo Borjigin, of the University of Michigan, said: "A lot of people thought that the brain after clinical death was inactive or hypoactive, with less activity than the waking state, and we show that is definitely not the case. "If anything, it is much more active during the dying process than even the waking state." Consciousness From bright white lights to out-of-body sensations and feelings of life flashing before their eyes, the experiences reported by people who have come close to death but survived are common the world over. However, studying this in humans is a challenge, and these visions are little understood. To find out more, scientists at the University of Michigan monitored nine rats as they were dying. In the 30-second period after the animal's hearts stopped beating, they measured a sharp increase in high-frequency brainwaves called gamma oscillations. These pulses are one of the neuronal features that are thought to underpin consciousness in humans, especially when they help to "link" information from different parts of the brain. In the rats, these electrical pulses were found at even higher levels just after the cardiac arrest than when animals were awake and well. Dr Borjigin said it was feasible that the same thing would happen in the human brain, and that an elevated level of brain activity and consciousness could give rise to near-death visions. Neurons in the brain may go into overdrive around the point of death "This can give us a framework to begin to explain these. The fact they see light perhaps indicates the visual cortex in the brain is highly activated - and we have evidence to suggest this might be the case, because we have seen increased gamma in area of the brain that is right on top of the visual cortex," she said. "We have seen increased coupling between the lower-frequency waves and the gamma that has been shown to be a feature of visual awareness and visual sensation." However, she said that to confirm the findings a study would have to be carried out on humans who have experienced clinical death and have been revived. Commenting on the research, Dr Jason Braithwaite, of the University of Birmingham, said the phenomenon appeared to be the brain's "last hurrah". "This is a very neat demonstration of an idea that's been around for a long time: that under certain unfamiliar and confusing circumstances - like near-death - the brain becomes overstimulated and hyperexcited," he said. Striking "Like 'fire raging through the brain', activity can surge through brain areas involved in conscious experience, furnishing all resultant perceptions with realer-than-real feelings and emotions." But he added: "One limitation is that we do not know when, in time, the near-death experience really occurs. Perhaps it was before patients had anaesthesia, or at some safe point during an operation long before cardiac arrest. "However, for those instances where experiences may occur around the time of cardiac arrest - or beyond it - these new findings provide further meat to the bones of the idea that the brain drives these fascinating and striking experiences" Dr Chris Chambers, of Cardiff University, said: "This is an interesting and well-conducted piece of research. We know precious little about brain activity during death, let alone conscious brain activity. These findings open the door to further studies in humans. "[But] we should be extremely cautious before drawing any conclusions about human near-death experiences: it is one thing to measure brain activity in rats during cardiac arrest, and quite another to relate that to human experience." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 This study doesn't explain nde's or discredit them to me. There's to many cases such as the Burpo case in Heaven is for real where he met a dead sister he didn't know he had. And also saw his dad screaming at God in a locked room at the hospital. Stuff like that can't be explained away by test done on rats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice_nine Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 (edited) I like the nde's with obe's. You know where people have seen things in another room that they couldn't have possibly seen if they were in their bodies. Edited July 10, 2014 by Ice_nine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 I met a woman last year who had a NDE. She was credible because she wasn't trying to sell a book or get attention, it just came up at a dinner party over a glass of wine, if you know what I mean. Just me and her having a private conversation, she wasn't looking for attention or anything. I believe her because it was just fairly short and I actually found it comforting. She was a human being explaining a spiritual experience the best she could but obviously it was fleeting and she had to get back on with her life. When she briefly died, she experienced unconditional love and unlimited peace and joy and this feeling that there was a divine plan for each of us, and that we have to trust in it. It was so brief for her that she didn't really have a chance to have some profound Q&A with God or come back with any profound wisdom we don't already know here. So I guess that's why I was inclined to believe her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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