mortify ii Posted July 9, 2014 Author Share Posted July 9, 2014 (edited) Capitalism is the exploitation of humanity Edited July 9, 2014 by mortify ii Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Capitalism is the exploitation of humanity Thanks for that profound insight, Karl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortify ii Posted July 10, 2014 Author Share Posted July 10, 2014 Thanks for that profound insight, Karl. Sorry dude, but this is not the civilization that will produce an actual Start Trek, enjoy your electric toothbrush and mach-5 razer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortify ii Posted July 10, 2014 Author Share Posted July 10, 2014 Speaking of exploitation... I'm working over night with no differential Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 (edited) Sorry dude, but this is not the civilization that will produce an actual Start Trek, enjoy your electric toothbrush and mach-5 razer What's a start trek? Is that some kind of Soviet innovation? Edited July 13, 2014 by Socrates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortify ii Posted July 13, 2014 Author Share Posted July 13, 2014 What's a start trek? Is that some kind of Soviet innovation? The Start Trek 9000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice_nine Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 I found the videos interesting Mort (couldn't get the 5th and 6th one to play tho). I honestly thought the thread title was a sarcastic reference to ecumenicism or something. I was pleasantly surprised when I clicked. I agree with him a lot about how our "techno-fixes" basically just bandaid previous techno-fixes before they hemorrhage and force further techno-fixes. It's annoying to me that a lot of religious conservatives mock anyone who bemoans the destruction of the planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortify ii Posted July 14, 2014 Author Share Posted July 14, 2014 I found the videos interesting Mort (couldn't get the 5th and 6th one to play tho). I honestly thought the thread title was a sarcastic reference to ecumenicism or something. I was pleasantly surprised when I clicked. I agree with him a lot about how our "techno-fixes" basically just bandaid previous techno-fixes before they hemorrhage and force further techno-fixes. It's annoying to me that a lot of religious conservatives mock anyone who bemoans the destruction of the planet. Glad to have pleasantly surprised you, brother. Michael Ruppert was an interesting character, shame he is no longer with us, but there are many awake non-Catholics and we must hope to bring them in the fold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fides' Jack Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 The era of the Baltimore Catechism was such a time. Having kids regurgitate what they learned via rote memorization didn't exactly create a buttress strong enough to overcome what happened in the 60's. In fact, things rapidly fell despite the growing quantity of seminaries, convents, schools, and Catholics in general. It was all numerology and superficial growth, the quality was not there. Vatican II was right about the times changing. Our understanding of human dignity and self determination has evolved. We have greatly advanced in the area of the sciences. We have a clearer understanding of the universe than ever before and out of this a deep yearning has arisen. People have evolved spiritually in a sense, but devotionalism does not satisfy their yearning. A genuine, authentic, and profound spirituality has to be restored. Well for one intellect and reason are not simply interchangeable. There is a knowledge that can be accessed without reason or discursive learning. The intellect possess powers that if awakened would startle any commoner or skeptic, but we have been dulled down. What position are you in to say that rote memorization of the Baltimore Catechism was unsuccessful? Did you actually experience this? Or are you simply blaming some problems on an aspect of a previous era that you don't personally agree with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortify ii Posted July 14, 2014 Author Share Posted July 14, 2014 What position are you in to say that rote memorization of the Baltimore Catechism was unsuccessful? Did you actually experience this? Or are you simply blaming some problems on an aspect of a previous era that you don't personally agree with? Rote memorization is not a holistic approach and insults knowledge in the true sense. The fact that it failed is event by the reality that despite being able to answer in verbatim why God created them, our faith in its teachings and practice virtually collapsed in the 1960's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortify ii Posted July 14, 2014 Author Share Posted July 14, 2014 True learning is not through books but sitting at the foot of a master Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fides' Jack Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 (edited) Rote memorization is not a holistic approach and insults knowledge in the true sense. The fact that it failed is event by the reality that despite being able to answer in verbatim why God created them, our faith in its teachings and practice virtually collapsed in the 1960's. OK - so it is just blaming one aspect of an era that you don't personally agree with. Got it. Thanks. How is it not a holistic approach? (And why do you think that makes it bad?) How does it insult knowledge? It seems to me that you're making this argument: Faith in the teachings of the Church virtually collapsed in the 1960's. There was a system of rote memorization of the Baltimore Catechism in the 1950's. Therefore the system of rote memorization is to blame for the collapse of faith. I see many problems with this argument, including from what I can see is an attempt as causation from correlation, where there is no real correlation visible in the argument. It seems to me altogether more likely that one reason why there was a collapse of faith was because they dropped rote memorization of the Baltimore Catechism - but I won't expect anyone here to agree with me on that point. Edit: grammar Edited July 14, 2014 by fides' Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 True learning is not through books but sitting at the foot of a master Why not both? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortify ii Posted July 14, 2014 Author Share Posted July 14, 2014 Why not both? For the same reason God did not send books from heaven but prophets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortify ii Posted July 14, 2014 Author Share Posted July 14, 2014 OK - so it is just blaming one aspect of an era that you don't personally agree with. Got it. Thanks. How is it not a holistic approach? (And why do you think that makes it bad?) How does it insult knowledge? Because knowledge is more than rote memorization. What about understanding? What about it infusing all you do and possessing your life? One can regurgitate answers without having it inform their lives and it's unfortunate a student's success in Catholic education in America depended on rote memorization and nothing deeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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