mortify ii Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 I'm a trad but a non-traditional trad. Some of my brothers and sisters awakened to the Crisis and seeking restoration also want to restore a past culture. I have little affinity for the 1950's or crowning some languid European noble who rests on the laurels of his ancestors. In some sense our culture has evolved but without spiritual direction it's becoming an amorphous mass resenting the system but not taking the proper steps to overcome it. And so it interests me greatly when I discover people who are awake, possess some spiritual awareness, but are not Catholic. In a sense, lost souls, albeit closer to reality than many others, and sadly many Catholics as well. Michael C Ruppert seems to have been such a person, sadly he committed suicide earlier this year. [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNVHbzlzUS8[/youtube] Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWWdeTERAsc Part 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvRJN2rblp4 Part 4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCz_xEp_4yA Part 5: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRPmxQqn3tg Part 6: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBwH0_EP5zo Yea... so I'm a hippie trad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ash Wednesday Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 (edited) I really enjoy watching Vice and their ventures off the beaten path, so I look forward to watching these later when I have time. I probably am similar to you -- as an artist I befriend a pretty wide variety of people -- deep thinkers of various walks of life. I have never known how to describe my traditionalism, because I don't fit into the "Let's go back to the 50s and register Republican" definition, either. Though it's probably not fair to describe all traditionalists as being this way, because true tradition is universal and timeless. I will keep Mr. Ruppert in my prayers. Edited July 4, 2014 by Ash Wednesday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo in Deum Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 Traditionalism is a spirit of preservation and restoration. It is concerned with preserving and restoring the things which are, or are an expression of, what is sacred in our Catholic Faith; eternal truths which are not fixed in one point in time. I personally have never met any Trad's that believe we should revert back to the 50's, so I don't believe Mortify, you are as rare as you might think you are. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 (edited) I really enjoy watching Vice and their ventures off the beaten path, so I look forward to watching these later when I have time. I probably am similar to you -- as an artist I befriend a pretty wide variety of people -- deep thinkers of various walks of life. I have never known how to describe my traditionalism, because I don't fit into the "Let's go back to the 50s and register Republican" definition, either. Though it's probably not fair to describe all traditionalists as being this way, because true tradition is universal and timeless. I will keep Mr. Ruppert in my prayers. That describes a small subset of American traditionalists, but traditionalism as a whole is international, and most notable traditionalists over the last several decades have been European. I doubt any of them would be registering as American republicans. Frankly, worldwide you will probably find more monarchist traditionalists than American republicans. Edited July 4, 2014 by Nihil Obstat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 That describes a small subset of American traditionalists, but traditionalism as a whole is international, and most notable traditionalists over the last several decades have been European. I doubt any of them would be registering as American republicans. Frankly, worldwide you will probably find more monarchist traditionalists than American republicans. Allow me to clarify that I am not much like what many have a preconceived notion of what Traditionalists are. Though really one can't generalize. Most traditionalists I can't relate to very much (or Catholics for that matter, but whatevs.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 I - very much a traditionalist - do not really fit into any political box of which I am aware. It is lonely, but at least my integrity is rarely challenged in that respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortify ii Posted July 5, 2014 Author Share Posted July 5, 2014 There usually is some sort of cultural baggage attached to Trads... At least in my experience. If they're not some blue blood European nostalgic over losing the monarchy they're a conservative republican reminiscing on the days of yonder when we still watched leave it to beaver. Times have changed, we have evolved in conscience to some degree and a solid spirituality needs to guide us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo in Deum Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 reminiscing on the days of yonder when we still watched leave it to beaver. If any Trad in America is nostalgic over 1950's TV shows, then it's probably because they miss the days of yonder when you could turn on your TV and watch Archbishop Fulton J Sheen every night explain the beauties of our Catholic Faith. That's right Mortify there was an Archbishop on TV and he even won an Emmy. Do you honestly think our society would allow an Archbishop of Sheen's caliber on the TV for even a minute let alone give him an Emmy for speaking the truths of the Catholic Faith every night? Yeah I think not. So much for our evolved conscience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortify ii Posted July 6, 2014 Author Share Posted July 6, 2014 At one point memorizing the answers to a thousand-and-one questions on Catholicism 101 was considered a "solid education." Sadly Catholicism was reduced to an ideology and rote memorization stooping oneself in the faith. Rather, all we had built was a superficial artifice, a house of cards that was easily torn by a few small though pernicious heresies. So yes, we did evolve although unfortunately our religious leaders could not keep up with the times. What's more unfortunate is that the solutions they came up with were even worse, and now we are at a point where a genuine rebuilding must take place. A true sense of intellect must be reborn, one that is not simply limited to reason and discursive learning. A genuine spirituality must be restored, that is more than novenas and prayer cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perigrina Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 I don't fit your description of a typical trad either. I am apolitical and do not consider any particular time or culture the ideal. They all have something to learn from but they all show the mark of sinful human beings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 My political beliefs depend on whether Winchester or Hasan said the wittiest thing in the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo in Deum Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 At one point memorizing the answers to a thousand-and-one questions on Catholicism 101 was considered a "solid education." Sadly Catholicism was reduced to an ideology and rote memorization stooping oneself in the faith. Rather, all we had built was a superficial artifice, a house of cards that was easily torn by a few small though pernicious heresies. So yes, we did evolve although unfortunately our religious leaders could not keep up with the times. What's more unfortunate is that the solutions they came up with were even worse, and now we are at a point where a genuine rebuilding must take place. A true sense of intellect must be reborn, one that is not simply limited to reason and discursive learning. A genuine spirituality must be restored, that is more than novenas and prayer cards. What are you even talking about? When was this time of flash-card Catholicism? Where have we evolved? What is a true sense of intellect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortify ii Posted July 6, 2014 Author Share Posted July 6, 2014 What are you even talking about? When was this time of flash-card Catholicism? The era of the Baltimore Catechism was such a time. Having kids regurgitate what they learned via rote memorization didn't exactly create a buttress strong enough to overcome what happened in the 60's. In fact, things rapidly fell despite the growing quantity of seminaries, convents, schools, and Catholics in general. It was all numerology and superficial growth, the quality was not there. Where have we evolved? Vatican II was right about the times changing. Our understanding of human dignity and self determination has evolved. We have greatly advanced in the area of the sciences. We have a clearer understanding of the universe than ever before and out of this a deep yearning has arisen. People have evolved spiritually in a sense, but devotionalism does not satisfy their yearning. A genuine, authentic, and profound spirituality has to be restored. What is a true sense of intellect? Well for one intellect and reason are not simply interchangeable. There is a knowledge that can be accessed without reason or discursive learning. The intellect possess powers that if awakened would startle any commoner or skeptic, but we have been dulled down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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