If " Real Men" Posed In Underwear Ads

[The Bus Station]

Is this thread real?

[arfink]

The ridiculous thing about the ads are that they try to compare apples to oranges.

 

Fact is, most of those "real men" posing are VERY attractive, and the models look a bit vapid.  And most women see the men and find them very attractive.

 

However, when they do this with "real women" it turns into a circus of body shaming and how ugly and fat the women are.

 

There, perhaps, is a problem with men who have self-esteem and appearance issues, but this isn't the way to do it.  What they are doing is saying "Here!  Look!  This HORRIBLE PROBLEM!  LET US TOSS SOME GORGEOUS (but not ripped) GUYS TO PROVE OUR POINT!"

 

Yeah, that's so helpful.

 

The issue is that while femininity is found in the graceful, the pretty, the caring and often in the way a woman carries herself, masculinity is often in what a man does.  He is provider, protector and strength.  All of those pictures STILL show a man in his prime, quite virile looking and showing socitial strength.

 

The issue is that that femininity has been reduced to the image, and while men still may look at a model and compare themselves, they have other ways that they are seen that are very attractive.  Look at "Sheldon" from Big Bang.  Even tho the man who plays the character is gay, many women find him sexually attractive and desirable.

 

This Ad campaign would only be enlightening if the real men were really different than the muscled counterparts.  Older men, those who are actually overweight, those who have been workign with their hands in the sun.

 

All they did was take sculpted models and replace them with decent looking guys and pose them sexy.  They are still all quite attractive.

 

So you're saying that in order to make a comparison "between normal men vs models" and "normal women vs models," the women can just be normal women, but the men would have to be 300+ lbs, have bad teeth, and have been unemployed for 6 or more months?

 

I also think it's very interesting that you find these males attractive, while many men look at the Avon ads and say, hey those women are attractive. Could it perhaps be that both men and women view themselves in a far more negative light than the other sex? Hrmmmm

Edited July 3, 2014 by arfink

[blazeingstar]

So you're saying that in order to make a comparison "between normal men vs models" and "normal women vs models," the women can just be normal women, but the men would have to be 300+ lbs, have bad teeth, and have been unemployed for 6 or more months?

 

I also think it's very interesting that you find these males attractive, while many men look at the Avon ads and say, hey those women are attractive. Could it perhaps be that both men and women view themselves in a far more negative light than the other sex? Hrmmmm

 

Its not just me, but in the comments at the bottom of the thread.  Both men and woman really liked the "real men".  I'd say less than 10% were negative towards the "real men"

 

However, in the "real woman" sort of things, the comments are about 50/50 as far as what the woman should do or look like.

[fides' Jack]

[...] I wouldn't care what you thought.

 

Good!

 

You get one man card back.  That half-way makes up for the 2 you lost by starting this thread.

[PhuturePriest]

Good!

 

You get one man card back.  That half-way makes up for the 2 you lost by starting this thread.

 

So I'm not a real man because I posted a thread about social issues? Discussing the dignity of people is more manly than sitting behind a computer telling other people how unmasculine they are.

[Credo in Deum]

Real men don't wear underwear.

Real men go commando.

[fides' Jack]

So I'm not a real man because I posted a thread about social issues? Discussing the dignity of people in underwear ...

 

Sorry, I couldn't finish reading this because I was laughing so hard!

Edited July 3, 2014 by fides' Jack

[Nihil Obstat]

Real men don't wear underwear.

Real men go commando.

[Perigrina]

So I'm not a real man because I posted a thread about social issues? Discussing the dignity of people is more manly than sitting behind a computer telling other people how unmasculine they are.

 

This demonstrates an area where men have it worse than women.  When women talk about issues that affect women, they never have to deal with these "man up" and "tough it out"  sort of responses.  Nobody expects women to shut up and suffer in silence.  Women are allowed to let other women know that they are not alone.  

 

When men talk about a problem that faces men, they get "well you don't have things as bad as we do" from women and "shut up, wimp" from other men.  It actually takes a lot of strength and courage to talk about one's vulnerabilities.  Putting up a tough front is easier.  

 

It is wrong to put down men for caring about people's suffering. If caring is unmasculine then no Christian should be masculine. 

[Lil Red]

this thread:

[God the Father]

[truthfinder]

That kilt-wearer knows what he's doing - look at him smirk

[Selah]

wut

[Ice_nine]

Nobody expects women to shut up and suffer in silence. 

 

That's a vast overstatement. Plenty of people expect just that.

 

 

Also this thread is dumb. Just because there are individual men who feel emasculated because they don't measure up to underwear models does not mean this is a societal problem. And that's the general trend I see with these FP "see men face discrimination too!" threads. So someone mentions it's not a big issue. Then they're accused of belittling or being dismissive. Then a bunch of gifs get posted. Same old thing.

[Credo in Deum]

Real men wear hats, carry canes, and sit on stone.