Anglicans Set To Remove Satan From Baptismal Rite

[Ash Wednesday]

 

clergy claimed that they found it much easier to ask parents and godparents to make vows that do not mention Satan.

 

This doesn't surprise me, it's a stretch to find anyone over here that even believes in God (with the exception of foreigners and minorities.) I think a lot of people here have their children baptised out of tradition or "for the grandparents" but as far as religion goes, most people remotely associated with the "C of E" in the cultural sense are either indifferent towards religion or downright hostile to it. One of my former co-workers is atheist and wasn't raised in a religious family at all but they're still having a church wedding because it's her hometown/her parents married there/it's a "lovely" place.

 

It's all about traditional lovely things, teas and cakes, sprinkle a little mention of God in there if you have to, but heaven forbid someone mention a devil! Leave religion out of it!

Edited July 2, 2014 by Ash Wednesday

[John Ryan]

Perhaps even the Devil has become fed up with the absurdities of the Anglican Church, and has decided that he is going to boycott. I have heard grumblings from Sin and his thought of leaving the Church as well. Death, however, remains adamant on staying until the end of time.

Edited July 2, 2014 by John Ryan

[marigold]

This doesn't surprise me, it's a stretch to find anyone over here that even believes in God (with the exception of foreigners and minorities.) I think a lot of people here have their children baptised out of tradition or "for the grandparents" but as far as religion goes, most people remotely associated with the "C of E" in the cultural sense are either indifferent towards religion or downright hostile to it. One of my former co-workers is atheist and wasn't raised in a religious family at all but they're still having a church wedding because it's her hometown/her parents married there/it's a "lovely" place.

It's all about traditional lovely things, teas and cakes, sprinkle a little mention of God in there if you have to, but heaven forbid someone mention a devil! Leave religion out of it!

Church of England down to a tea ;)

On every feast of the Mother of God at my parish we pray for the lost sheep of England to be brought back to the true, rational fold.

[PhuturePriest]

The Church of England has simply run its course. At this point, they're just running down the clock. In 20 years, the Church of England won't exist in any substantial way, and in 40, it won't even exist on paper.

 

Just another example of how the Anglican/Episcopalian churches needs our prayers.

 

I don't really think we should pray for other churches, so much as pray for the people in them and pray for their conversion to the Catholic Church. But that may have been what you meant, anyway.

[BarbTherese]

I work voluntary for Anglicare in their Emergency Assistance in two areas.  I have been really impressed with their spirit of poverty. The buildings in which I work on reception are really sparse in every way and very old buildings and so much so that an inspection by Health & Safety (government) has indicated areas in which they must make adjustments and they are doing this.  I am impressed too with their ready willingness to bend rules if necessary with the focus on helping out people in real need and with compassion, understanding, and empathy.  They do great work and much needed work.  Also, it seems to me that they really strive to cut down on all expenses so that donations are going direct to those in need.

 

This is not a defence of what may be applying in other areas of The Anglican Church - I don't know a great deal about this, although some things the Anglicans have initiated are very sad indeed.  It seems to me that increasingly in their theological thinking that they are prepared to be guided and bullied by public opinion.   I recall that a Benedictine prioress gave a talk to the community about difficult members in the community - that one member may be annoying to the others because of her constant chatter in recreation for example, but was that member who was most willing and cheerful in helping out other members in the community when they were in need.  We are all a parcel of good and bad.  I read somewhere a quotation that ran similar to "I don't know if I am a bad person with some good qualities or a good person with some bad qualities"

 

“He’s seen enough to know that you can’t kill all the badness in the world. You cut it down in front of you only to find that it's standing right behind you.”  (Rebel Heart - Moira Young)  When I criticize another for one or more of their failings, I might be blind to my own.

 

It's like another member quoted in this thread - that the devil is not under every rock, but under every other rock.

I think it was nunsense who shared somewhere or other an excellent quote from I think St Francis de Sales:

"You will win more people with honey than vinegar"

 

 

 

"[1] Judge not, that you may not be judged, [2] For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged: and with what measure you mete, it shall be measured to you again. [3] And why seest thou the mote that is in thy brother' s eye; and seest not the beam that is in thy own eye? [4] Or how sayest thou to thy brother: Let me cast the mote out of thy eye; and behold a beam is in thy own eye? [5] Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam in thy own eye, and then shalt thou see to cast out the mote out of thy brother' s eye". (Matthew Ch7)

 

 

I think that we are called "to preach The Gospel to the whole world" no exceptions.  For me, the crucial and important point is how will I go about this in my own life and In the various situations and circumstances that do come along?" - and not an easy question to answer at times.  For example: This is the situation in which I find myself.  How will I preach The Gospel in this situation.  A quote attributed to St Francis of Assisi is "Preach The Gospel, with words only if necessary".  That is not at all a hard and fast rule for every situation it seems to me - and therefore to know how to respond in every situation or circumstance.

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On another point raised.  In my previous parish, the pp wanted some guarantee from parents before baptising a baby that they were or would be practising their Catholic Faith and the godparents, the same.  In one instance, Father refused baptism from what I heard. This did shock me until I did a bit of research:  http://www.catholic.com/quickquestions/is-a-priest-obligated-to-baptize-a-baby-even-if-the-parents-are-not-married-or-are-no
 

[Socrates]

Just another example of how the Anglican/Episcopalian churches needs our prayers.

 

We should pray that those false churches be abandoned, and their members be received fully into the One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church founded by Jesus Christ.

[BarbTherese]

We should pray that those false churches be abandoned, and their members be received fully into the One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church founded by Jesus Christ.

 

Amen!

 

My two pennies or so worth.  I need to be open minded too and willing to learn from wherever it may appear.  Not biblical as far as I know, but gold after all is wherever it is found.  To my mind also, I need to be aware if possible of where anything, me included, is faulted.  Certainly, The Church is never ever faulted on Faith and Morals and this is beyond question.......but sometimes practise in the day to day can be lagging somewhere behind, as with me.