Spirit Of Vatican Ii

[Perigrina]

What? Have you read any of the council documents? Sacrosanctum Concilium is the document that deals with liturgical changes, but primarily reaffirms all that is amazing, beautiful, and divine about the liturgy. Nowhere did I read anything about "designing" the Mass to be "accessible to Protestants." Just like I didn't read anything about the priest hopping over to the other side of the altar, the choir playing terrible folk music, or liturgical dance.

 

I don't mean this as a personal attack on you, but this is the exact sort of thing that the "Spirit of Vatican II" boneheads do -- read between the lines, inserting their own judgments.

 

I hope someday we can get back to a world where people don't get into "debates" based on sound bites. This is the same thing that happened with your recent post about the gay book. Everyone comes in full force with their opinions based upon EVERYTHING EXCEPT FOR THE VERY THING THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DISCUSSING. Nobody goes to the source because it's easier to listen to someone on talk radio or to read 140 characters instead.

 

For the love of God, people, the council documents are all available for free. The "Spirit of Vatican II" is pretend. Vatican II is real. Read about it.

 

I have read Sacrosanctum Consilium more than once.  I've lost count.  It calls for reform of the Mass and gives good principles to follow in doing so.  But the actual committee charged with creating the reformed Mass went beyond those principles.  There are accounts of what happened in the process of creating the new Mass, including an entire book by Archbishop Bugnini himself.  We know what his stated motives were and accessibility to Protestants was one of them.  Here is an English translation of his own words that appeared in Osservatore Romano March 19, 1965:

 

And let's say that often the work proceeded 'with fear and trembling' by sacrificing terms and concepts so dear, and now part of the long family tradition. How not to regret that 'Mother Church- Holy, Catholic and Apostolic - deigned to revoke' the seventh prayer? And yet it is the love of souls and the desire to help in any way the road to union of the separated brethren, by removing every stone that could even remotely constitute an obstacle or difficulty, that has driven the Church to make even these painful sacrifices."

 

I may not have phrased myself clearly.  I did not mean to say that the document itself called for accessibility to Protestants, but that by calling for a reformed Mass, it set the stage for this idea to influence the new Mass.

[Proletarian]

I apologize if I got a little snarky, Perigrina.

[Perigrina]

I apologize if I got a little snarky, Perigrina.

 

Not a problem.  These sorts of discussions can be frustrating.

[Socrates]

Mortify II will become, RoboTrad!

 

Whatever happened to Mortify I?

[mortify ii]

Whatever happened to Mortify I?

 

Must you bring up painful things

[Credo in Deum]

Whatever happened to Mortify I?

Or Mortify I.V?