Perigrina Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 An interesting article by a father reacting to this t-shirt: http://www.catholicvote.org/rules-for-dating-my-daughter/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter He ended up coming up with his own version. I like the Catholic version better. And I liked his reasoning for how he came up with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossCuT Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 There is a reason for both. But maybe only fembots would catch onto the first one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrysostom Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 The "her body, her rules" would be more ok to my ears if I didn't so often hear it applied specifically to procured abortion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perigrina Posted June 23, 2014 Author Share Posted June 23, 2014 The "her body, her rules" would be more ok to my ears if I didn't so often hear it applied specifically to procured abortion. Yes, I took it as an allusion to abortion too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo in Deum Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 (edited) Yes, I took it as an allusion to abortion too. But his shirt is collard, that has to count for something....right? Edited June 23, 2014 by Credo in Deum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fides' Jack Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 (edited) As a father, I must say that I hesitate finding anything of merit in the first shirt, regardless of any affiliation with abortion. Depending on the age and circumstances of my daughter, of course, I will make the rules. And my rules would look something like the other shirt. Probably a bit altered. Edited June 23, 2014 by fides' Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semper Catholic Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Men don't let women make the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selah Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 The "her body, her rules" would be more ok to my ears if I didn't so often hear it applied specifically to procured abortion. When I use it, I mean "don't rape women" though I can see how it could be applied to abortion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 My Dad made the rules. First rule, expect to get frisked. Second rule, expect to get cross examined. Third rule, make curfew or risk being disembowelled. No wonder I didn't get married until I was 43. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Ryan Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 I love both of the shirts. I think they can be complimentary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spem in alium Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 But his shirt is collard, that has to count for something....right? In my view, that's the only selling point of that shirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semper Catholic Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 In my view, that's the only selling point of that shirt. I know right. Why teach women to respect themselves when we can just give them a shirt made by the Duggars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semper Catholic Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 I also find it interesting that only one of these shirts immediately mentions sex. Shows where the priorities are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catherine Therese Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 The "her body, her rules" would be more ok to my ears if I didn't so often hear it applied specifically to procured abortion. My body as a woman is mine in a sense, yes, but it is something I received and something for which I am caretaker, and if I extrapolate the theological reality of my body also housing the indwelling of the Trinity by virtue of my Baptism, it's God's body too. This is further supported by the fact that I don't have being in myself, but that ALL being is derived from God's being. With respect to OTHER people, my body is my own. With respect to God, my body is for my good, but held in trust rather than owned by me. So even without the abortion connotation, "her body, her rules" in a Catholic setting is missing the mark just a little, IMHO. What I find upsetting about the feminist father's shirt is that I think he truly believes that what he has said is giving her the respect that she deserves. I concede that he's giving her the autonomy that she probably wants, but I don't believe that autonomy and respect are the same thing. Odds are that when his daughter grows past her adolescent need to be out from under his thumb and discovers that, whilst her Father washed his hands of responsibility and stepped out of the way, her long line of ex-boyfriends has manipulated her emotionally so that she would voluntarily allow them to use her physically. If that eventuates, she's going to resent that her Dad didn't man up and protect her a little bit when she was too naive to protect herself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semper Catholic Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 My body as a woman is mine in a sense, yes, but it is something I received and something for which I am caretaker, and if I extrapolate the theological reality of my body also housing the indwelling of the Trinity by virtue of my Baptism, it's God's body too. This is further supported by the fact that I don't have being in myself, but that ALL being is derived from God's being. With respect to OTHER people, my body is my own. With respect to God, my body is for my good, but held in trust rather than owned by me. So even without the abortion connotation, "her body, her rules" in a Catholic setting is missing the mark just a little, IMHO. What I find upsetting about the feminist father's shirt is that I think he truly believes that what he has said is giving her the respect that she deserves. I concede that he's giving her the autonomy that she probably wants, but I don't believe that autonomy and respect are the same thing. Odds are that when his daughter grows past her adolescent need to be out from under his thumb and discovers that, whilst her Father washed his hands of responsibility and stepped out of the way, her long line of ex-boyfriends has manipulated her emotionally so that she would voluntarily allow them to use her physically. If that eventuates, she's going to resent that her Dad didn't man up and protect her a little bit when she was too naive to protect herself. Or...The girl who has been taught since day one that she is a person and not an object has never succumbed to manipulation. Sure is a lot to infer from just a shirt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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