Selah Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 HEY! Remember when we used to bs about Muslims and ponies? Let's go back to those days! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superblue Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Hold it. Take a minute to breathe. Let us remember peace and love. ** except for those who disagree with anything the Church says or does** okay, go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selah Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 AMISH PARADISE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perigrina Posted June 25, 2014 Author Share Posted June 25, 2014 I want a sex for the sake of love approach, which is sanctification and union with God. The Vatican teaches that sex in and of itself, that is separate from procreation, is evil. Sex is a desire for sensuality that is not intrinsically linked to the notion of procreation. In fact, one of the primary motivations for sex is closeness/oneness with the other. The Vatican teaches that this in and of itself is evil. The Church teaches that sex has two purposes - procreation and closeness with the other. There is no such thing as sex in and of itself without these aspects. They are part of its nature. It is wrong to try to remove either of these aspects from the sex act because that destroys its integrity. This is very different from saying that sex is evil. It is saying that sex has an intrinsic nature that must be respected. To violate the nature of sex is evil. I suspect that you can already see that it is wrong for there to be sex without its unitive aspect, to have desire for sensuality without any love or closeness. Well it is just as wrong to remove the procreative aspect and for the same reason. It is a distortion of what sex is meant to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anomaly Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Also I am a man. You're saying I can blindly follow myself and my whims as the standard bearer of truth, but I can't put this trust toward another human being or toward God and His Church? That behavior seems rather hypocritical. There is no infallible. You have to work at being the person you want to be. Every day. That takes effort and commitment. That is not to say that the Catholic Church doesn't provide a lot of help. As do many religions in my opinion. To the question that Perigrina posted, it indicative why some identify as Catholic while not actually knowing or understanding or accepting all the doctrines, dogmas, and tenets of Catholicism. They could be "cultural Catholic" or poorly taught converts. I'm not arguing against your choice of belief. Just discussing the original post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Where on earth is all this heterodoxy coming from, all of a sudden? I mean, it makes things interesting for sure, but this is not really why I am here... :p It is kind of unusual for this site anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThereseMaria Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 ... Quite frankly, if a person is having trouble accepting Church teaching, I don't think it's anyone's business to lecture them... I think that everyone has something to learn from the Church and what God has revealed through the church, and I don't think it is correct to say that someone isn't a Catholic if they have trouble with certain teachings. Yeah, if a person doesn't believe in a fundamental teaching there might be a bit of a problem, but I think that if a person is struggling with their faith, God will guide them to the truth, and honestly, having other people dictating the degree to which one is Catholic isn't very helpful... Simply put, let God take care of it. God has much better ways of leading people to truth. He knows what He's doing. Just my two cents... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Here is a related question which has bearing on this thread: can someone, either without intending to, or in spite of intending not to, place themselves outside of the Church either through their actions or their beliefs? Because some people seem to be of the opinion that, essentially, you are Catholic if you say you are, period. I reject that idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freudianslippers Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 OH MY GOLLY GOSH! Evey single person on this darn site says they are the official voice of "church teaching." Not one person has actually quoted the Magesterium of the Church in any acceptable document!!!!, or even referenced a valid source such as the ccc. NOT ONE SINGLE person acting like a scholar faking big words has made a SINGLE point in favor of this so called Jesus faith. THIS is LAUGHABLE! If you're a scholar, your words will not make it difficult to understand, but SIMPLE! NOT ONE PERSON here has impressed a single user with the truth of the faith. I come here rarely but laugh a great deal. IT's no WONDER there are so many atheists! In a Church so divided! I'm sorry if this offends people who are very emotional about their faith but seriously!, can't you argue with solid evidence???? Can't you provide evidence that what you're saying isn't just your own opinion? Or does your Chuch contradict itself so obviously? How can so many users professing to be Catholic argue against 2 points? Did Jesus favor both sides of your question? I give up. This is an obvious mess. If this is Catholic, then I'm sorry to say but I miss out on nothing. So long and thanks for all the fish! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selah Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Oh come now. One internet forum is not the end all be all. Plus the interwebz is just lamesauce anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perigrina Posted June 25, 2014 Author Share Posted June 25, 2014 (edited) OH MY GOLLY GOSH! Evey single person on this darn site says they are the official voice of "church teaching." Not one person has actually quoted the Magesterium of the Church in any acceptable document!!!!, or even referenced a valid source such as the ccc. NOT ONE SINGLE person acting like a scholar faking big words has made a SINGLE point in favor of this so called Jesus faith. I often quote Magisterial documents and have done so in this thread. I am ready to back up any claim I make about Church teaching with documentation. Edited June 25, 2014 by Perigrina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 OH MY GOLLY GOSH! Evey single person on this darn site says they are the official voice of "church teaching." Not one person has actually quoted the Magesterium of the Church in any acceptable document!!!!, or even referenced a valid source such as the ccc. NOT ONE SINGLE person acting like a scholar faking big words has made a SINGLE point in favor of this so called Jesus faith. THIS is LAUGHABLE! If you're a scholar, your words will not make it difficult to understand, but SIMPLE! NOT ONE PERSON here has impressed a single user with the truth of the faith. I come here rarely but laugh a great deal. IT's no WONDER there are so many atheists! In a Church so divided! I'm sorry if this offends people who are very emotional about their faith but seriously!, can't you argue with solid evidence???? Can't you provide evidence that what you're saying isn't just your own opinion? Or does your Chuch contradict itself so obviously? How can so many users professing to be Catholic argue against 2 points? Did Jesus favor both sides of your question? I give up. This is an obvious mess. If this is Catholic, then I'm sorry to say but I miss out on nothing. So long and thanks for all the fish! You are bugging me. You said you will miss out on nothing by leaving. We can probably say the same in response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Where on earth is all this heterodoxy coming from, all of a sudden? I mean, it makes things interesting for sure, but this is not really why I am here... :P It is kind of unusual for this site anyway. I've observed a growing number of members who hold heterodox beliefs for a while, now. This is just that growing number finally becoming visible. When I first came on here, we never had debates like this, because we never had to. But over the past year we've had more and more conversations like this, and it's been quite interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freudianslippers Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Very "christian" of you. You are bugging me. You said you will miss out on nothing by leaving. We can probably say the same in response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freudianslippers Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Oh? I often quote Magisterial documents and have done so in this thread. I am ready to back up any claim I make about Church teaching with documentation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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