John Ryan Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 (edited) How many people here know that Karl Marx actually speaks highly of individual private property in the hands of the peasantry in Das Kapital? Marx's damning of capitalism is that it has destroyed this parochial form of private property and converted the masses into wage-slaves where the individual family no longer controls the means of their own self-reproduction. Edited June 23, 2014 by John Ryan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NotreDame Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 How many people here know that Karl Marx actually speaks highly of individual private property in the hands of the peasantry in Das Kapital? Marx's damning of capitalism is that it has destroyed this parochial form of private property and converted the masses into wage-slaves where the individual family no longer controls the means of their own self-reproduction. Is this what Orwell called double-speak? "The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence: Abolish all private property" - Karl Marx, The Communist Manifesto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catherine Therese Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Hilaire Belloc would agree with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selah Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 (edited) A Catholic Marxist in communion with Rome may be a contradiction. The East is full of anarchists, socialists, communists, neocons, monarchists, mutualists, nationalists, and so forth. There is really no one political belief system; on the other hand, I've witness Rome pretty much decide what political stance members should take. I am happy that Libertarianism and Capitalism have been condemned, however. Hilaire Belloc would agree with him. LOL I forgot about that xD Edited June 23, 2014 by Selah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazeingstar Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Even a broken clock is right twice a day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 A Catholic Marxist in communion with Rome may be a contradiction. The East is full of anarchists, socialists, communists, neocons, monarchists, mutualists, nationalists, and so forth. There is really no one political belief system; on the other hand, I've witness Rome pretty much decide what political stance members should take. Not that this state of affairs in the East has not caused some pretty serious problems in the past though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selah Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Not that this state of affairs in the East has not caused some pretty serious problems in the past though. Heh, yeah, true. There are (some) Russian Orthodox who venerate Stalin <_< I'm not kidding either. They have an icon to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Heh, yeah, true. There are (some) Russian Orthodox who venerate Stalin <_< I'm not kidding either. They have an icon to him. That being said, I have a real soft spot in my heart for Russian Orthodox veneration of the Romanov family. :hehe: I wonder how many people venerate both. That would be kind of strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selah Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 That being said, I have a real soft spot in my heart for Russian Orthodox veneration of the Romanov family. :hehe: I wonder how many people venerate both. That would be kind of strange. Some do. Which makes my brain hurt. I know, I love the Romanovs :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo in Deum Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Heh, yeah, true. There are (some) Russian Orthodox who venerate Stalin <_< I'm not kidding either. They have an icon to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selah Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Heh, yeah, true. There are (some) Russian Orthodox who venerate Stalin <_< I'm not kidding either. They have an icon to him. Yep. Much like the veneration of La Santa Muerte, it has been condemned, yet people still do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo in Deum Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 (edited) Yep. Much like the veneration of La Santa Muerte, it has been condemned, yet people still do it. As is the case with all things which are condemned or forbidden. Stupid fallen mankind. Edited June 23, 2014 by Credo in Deum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Ryan Posted June 23, 2014 Author Share Posted June 23, 2014 (edited) Is this what Orwell called double-speak? "The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence: Abolish all private property" - Karl Marx, The Communist Manifesto Orwell was actually a staunch communist himself! Orwell believed that the answer to 1984 was real communism. Karl Marx does believe in the abolition of private property, by which he understands to be the primary "means of production". Marx believed that modernity and industrialism had destroyed idyllic peasant life. There was no going back, and we do not really want to go back, for we should have to give up all the gains of modernity. That being said, I do not imagine Marx would have a problem with a person growing vegetables on their land, or a kid setting up a lemonade stand. Marx's criticism of capitalism is that it exploits the labor power of others. So long as you do the labor yourself, I cannot envision Marx condemning it. A Catholic Marxist in communion with Rome may be a contradiction. Tell that to all the Latin American faithful and Latin American Jesuit Priests who are both staunch communists and staunch Catholics. I do not accept the Church's condemnation of socialism in its encyclicals, because all it does is condemn vulgar representations of communism/socialism. Condemning boogeyman socialism is not the same as real socialism, which was actually practiced in the New Testament Church. Edited June 23, 2014 by John Ryan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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