Are We Willing To Die For The Mass?

[fides' Jack]

I think there's also evidence in our faith.  Scripture spells out pretty clearly that it will happen at the end.  Whether or not we're there...  :shrugs:

[Jaime]

I was having an interesting discussion with my friend Thump (who  has a PhD in Theology so she's a smart punkin) about the need for guards at adoration.  Would I be willing to die to protect the Eucharist?  Her question was "Why does God need your protection?"  She makes a valid point but I think the choice to defend the Eucharist is probably more for me than for God. 

[Credo in Deum]

I like to think of the infant Jesus when I look at the Eucharist.   As God does he need our protection?  No, He is God and has no need of anything.   Yet as God He can empty Himself and take the form of a slave, as St. Paul writes, and be an infant that not only needed nourishment but protection from His family,  Sure, St. Joseph had a warning from the angel to take Christ and His mother into Egypt, but had he not heeded this warning, what do you think would have happened?   God want's our participation in this relationship and because of this He will humble Himself and take the form of an infant -and even further a host where He is even more vulnerable to the horrible actions of fallen man- and ask that we out of love, defend Him at all costs.   Is this for our benefit?  Of course.  He does all things for our benefit, however, in order to benefit we must care more about His treatment and safety than our own. We must care more about Him than what we will gain by caring for Him.   We should want to die to protect the Eucharist even if heaven was not the reward! 

 

Now the question is how do we defend the Eucharist?  Well we do it with our love and our blood if we are called to.  We offer our deaths as gifts of love to Him and as a means to procure the graces necessary to convert our enemies.  This is how we love God and our neighbor as ourselves.

 

May all of the martyrs of our Catholic faith who now enjoy the Beatific Vision, pray for us!   

 

 

[CountrySteve21]

But thats just it, the State and all people must submit to Christ and the law of his Church. To allow the nonsense of "gay marriage" is a revolt against God and a mockery of human sexuality.  We should love our neighbor enough to preach to them the Truth which sets them free and brings them to that true and everlasting happiness, which can only be found in Christ and His religion. 

 

Pius IX, "Quanta cura," Dec. 8, 1864 ASS 3.162: [We have added numbers for
convenience in commenting]".

1."For you know well...that there are not a few, who...applying
that impious and absurd principle of what is called naturalism,
dare to teach, 'that the best state of public society and civil
progress absolutely requires that human society should be so
constituted and governed, that there is no consideration of
religion, as if it [religion] did not exist, or at least with no
distinction made between true and false religions.'"

COMMENTS: Pius IX here condemns a proposition, which is printed as a
quotation, but the "Acta Sanctae Sedis" gives no source for it. It seems,
then, that it was framed precisely to be a condemned and false proposition.
Such condemned propositions are normally declared false if even one thing
is wrong with them.

This proposition is false because

(a) the state as a state should worship God, and in the way He
has made known that He wills. Therefore to ignore religion is
wrong.

(b) For the same reason, the state should make its own the true
religion, and not treat all religions indiscriminately. This
need not mean repression of false religions.

Vatican II, in DH P1 taught: "It leave untouched the traditional Catholic
doctrine about the moral duty of men and societies towards the true
religion and the one Church of Christ." This means,of course, an
established Church. As we said, it would not imply repression of other
churches. Even pagan Greece and Rome realized that the state as a state
needs God's help: hence the state as a state must worship God. We add: If
God makes known which way He wills to be worshipped, of course we must
follow it.

 

 

Source: https://www.ewtn.com/library/DOCTRINE/RELLIB.TXT

 

Pax

[Socrates]

I think a majority of christian who tout the "we are going to be murdered" stuff generally confuse the secular governments attempts to extend the freedoms we enjoy to all people as a direct assault on their religious liberties. Which is not the case. 

 

Yes people you dont agree with can now get the same things as you such as the gay marriage thing...or making birth control available to all etc....those are not intended as affronts for the sole purpose of pissing off Christians; its intended to give the people what they want. Not ALL people of course, but still people want these things. So as a good government, they try to achieve this.

 

What makes Christians targets of ridicule is when they run around crying that these circumstances are all about them; that the world is revolting against them etc. No. It just makes us seem like cry babies so people are now telling us to stfu the world doesnt revolve around us.

 

I love my dad to death, but he is a "huge dooms day christian". 

 

I think we are just very used to having christian has the majority ruling is most all cases in the US, but as time has gone on people are like "Hey now, lets let other people have the same freedoms etc etc etc" and Christians are confusing equality with oppression. 

 

I know Im the minority in my thinking here, but its just my thoughts. People will disagree with me and thats fine.

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Yep, it's all about a Good Government (that only wants what's best for everybody) vs. those mean, self-centered, whiny Christians who want to deny freedom to others.

 

Of course.

 

 

 

In reality, the issues debated have absolutely nothing to do with "other people having the same freedoms" as Christians.

Immoral as it is, people are already perfectly in this country free to have sex and contracept all they like (and contraceptives are available everywhere).  Devout Catholics just don't want to be forced against their conscience to help pay for them.

 

Just like you have the freedom to go out and get drunk tonight if you choose.

That freedom doesn't entail that I should be forced to pay for your drinks.

 

I'm not sure why this whole concept is so hard for the bleeding hearts to grasp.

Guess it just shows how entrenched the whole entitlement mentality is in this generation; people think everybody's owed whatever they want-- at others' expense if necessary--and screw those others' freedom if they don't want to oblige.

 

But, yeah, I hear ya.  It's a crying shame that our noble Good Government must suffer such persecution at the hands of its Christian citizenry.

[Socrates]

I hope I'm just paranoid, but I fully expect outright persecution by the end of my natural life.

 

It (at first, anyway) will probably take the form of Christians being denied more and more their freedom to follow their conscience, and being forced to support or even actively participate in things contrary to their religious Faith and morality.

 

 

If hostility and hatred towards orthodox (small "o") Christianity and its morals continues to grow, at a certain point, this hostility and hatred will no doubt make its way into official policy.

 

We're incredibly naive if we think in America our religious freedoms guaranteed in the Constitution will continue to protect us from persecution.  Already, our government disregards the Constitution on a daily basis.