CountrySteve21 Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Has anyone ever attended a OF Mass said in all or most Latin, perhaps even ad orientem; Gregorian Chant even? Pax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perigrina Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Yes, I have, but not recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Yes, once. In London England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfink Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 At my home parish. Every 11:15 AM mass is ad orientem (the others are just regular OF in English) and sometimes they do the prayers in Latin, though not always. They do the sung mass parts in Latin though, usually. Lately they have been doing the Gloria simplex and some parts from the Missa de Angelis. During the summer the choir usually isn't very organized because people leave for vacations and such, and they don't do the Latin mass parts or the chanted Introit because they don't have the people there to do it. But other times they will. It's kinda up to how the pastor feels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 They have it st St. John Cantius in Chicago. I can't remember whether it was ad orientam, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountrySteve21 Posted June 18, 2014 Author Share Posted June 18, 2014 @ARFink that sounds amazing. I wish there was more of that, a healthy balance of vernacular and Latin MAss's. @Norseman I like how those Canons celebrate both. Showing that both Rites can co-exist together; there's no need to make them compete. There both holy since our Mother, the Church has given them to us :) Pax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perigrina Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 @ARFink that sounds amazing. I wish there was more of that, a healthy balance of vernacular and Latin MAss's. @Norseman I like how those Canons celebrate both. Showing that both Rites can co-exist together; there's no need to make them compete. There both holy since our Mother, the Church has given them to us :) Pax The Oratorians celebrate both too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrysostom Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 The place I have been celebrates it versus populum with a congregation basically half English and half Hispanic, which I think is a wonderful demonstration of the unitive role of Latin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountrySteve21 Posted June 19, 2014 Author Share Posted June 19, 2014 The Oratorians celebrate both too. Oh cool, thats good. Never heard of the Oratorians till now. Pax! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perigrina Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Oh cool, thats good. Never heard of the Oratorians till now. Pax! They are not exactly a religious order. It is a pretty interesting arrangement. I think this Wikipedia explanation is fairly clear: The Oratory of Saint Philip Neri is a society of apostolic life of Catholic priests and lay-brothers who live together in a community bound together by no formal vows but only with the bond of charity. They are commonly referred to as Oratorians (Oratorian Fathers). This "Congregation of the Oratory" should not be confused with the French Oratory, a distinct congregation, the Society of the Oratory of Jesus(Société de l'Oratoire de Jésus), founded by Pierre de Bérulle in 1611 in Paris. Founded in Rome in 1575 by St. Philip Neri, today it has spread around the world, with over 70 Oratories and some 500 priests. The post-nominal initials commonly used to identify members of the society are "C.O." (Congregatio Oratorii). The abbreviation "Cong. Orat." is also used. Unlike a religious institute (the members of which take vows and are answerable to a central authority) or a monastery (the monks of which are likewise bound by vows in a community that may itself be autonomous and answerable directly to the Pope), the Oratorians are made up of members who commit themselves to membership in a particular, independent, self-governing local community (an Oratory, usually named for the place in which it is located: e.g., Birmingham Oratory, Oxford Oratory, Brooklyn Oratory) without actually taking vows, an unusual and innovative arrangement created by St. Philip. Normally an Oratory must have a minimum of 4 members, 2 being ordained, in order to be founded. If a group of men seeks to establish an Oratory, they may apply to do so, going through the proper diocesan channels; during the process of formation a member (or members) of a well-established Oratory resides in the community to facilitate every aspect of the proposed foundation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oratory_of_Saint_Philip_Neri The group of Oratorians that I am most familiar with are the ones in Toronto. They celebrate the OF in both Latin and vernacular, as well as the EF. Whatever form they use, they strive for excellence in liturgy. They also tend to be excellent confessors and spiritual directors. I think that all Oratorians share these characteristics but I have not researched it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazeingstar Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 The place I have been celebrates it versus populum with a congregation basically half English and half Hispanic, which I think is a wonderful demonstration of the unitive role of Latin. So both Spanish speakers and English speakers are united in the fact they don't have a clue what was said :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 So both Spanish speakers and English speakers are united in the fact they don't have a clue what was said :P That is really disrespectful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazeingstar Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 That is really disrespectful. Not really. Not everyone, actually most people, aren't able to speak Latin. Foreign languages just aren't for everyone. There are plenty of people who can parrot typical things like Kyre Elasior or Do Nobis Pachem or things like that but that dosn't mean they have a clue what they are saying. I know the reasons why my older uncles didn't become alter boys is because they had no capacity for other languages and needed to know Latin to serve. Mass in the vernacular has allowed for a greater number of people to have greater understanding. That's just the way it is. Most people today are clueless about Latin...its not taught in schools or really utalized as it was years ago. Just ask people in med school....thats one thing young drs today are completely struggling with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Not really. Not everyone, actually most people, aren't able to speak Latin. Foreign languages just aren't for everyone. There are plenty of people who can parrot typical things like Kyre Elasior or Do Nobis Pachem or things like that but that dosn't mean they have a clue what they are saying. I know the reasons why my older uncles didn't become alter boys is because they had no capacity for other languages and needed to know Latin to serve. Mass in the vernacular has allowed for a greater number of people to have greater understanding. That's just the way it is. Most people today are clueless about Latin...its not taught in schools or really utalized as it was years ago. Just ask people in med school....thats one thing young drs today are completely struggling with. And yet the Church has seen fit to remind the faithful insistently, all throughout Vatican II and afterwards that Latin, being the official and traditional language of the Latin Church, must be retained and its use has spiritual value for Latin Catholics. If you do not like it then fine, but the Church is clear that there is spiritual value in maintaining our traditional use of Latin in the Liturgy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossCuT Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 My parish has a 10am latin mass with Gregorian Chant every sunday. And Fall-Spring they sub the Gregorian chant with the Minnesota Catholic chorale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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