HisChildForever Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Maybe it's because I believe in the best of people very easily (sometimes too easily), but I found his interview very compelling and heartfelt. What sold me on it was the fact that he kept reiterating that everything he did was consciously done, and that the porn didn't make it to where he didn't have a choice, it simply helped mold his desires that he consciously gave in to. If you watch people like Charles Manson, he'll say that it was all something he couldn't control, and kept trying to justify it. Ted Bundy never did this, and showed (in my opinion) true remorse, particularly at the end when he was asked about the children. I truly wish he hadn't gotten the death penalty. We need to stop killing people and start trying to actually fix the problem. That's the thing with psychopaths, they can easily come across as ridiculously believable. They also enjoy playing with people. Do I think he's lying about his porn use? No. But do I think he's genuine and remorseful? Not in a million years. “I’m the most cold-hearted [expletive] you’ll ever meet.†“I don’t feel guilty for anything. I feel sorry for people who feel guilt.†“I just liked to kill, I wanted to kill.†“I’m as cold a [expletive] as you’ve ever put your [expletive] eyes on. I don’t give a [expletive] about those people.†Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 I love the beginning of the interview btw. He tells the guy he's calm and "mostly it's because of you." What a crock LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarbTherese Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 I'm not quite sure I believe him, watching the interview. There's something telling me he's trying to seem less guilty, somehow. But then again, that's just my reaction from watching his facial expressions and tone of voice, etc. I'm also shocked at how normal he looks and how well-educated his speech is. I was aware that Bundy was infamous for these things, but wow... I agree. Probably not the best of moves to put any trust in what a serial killer and psychopathic personality who is highly intelligent and very likely manipulative and good at it has to state, There were a few things I questioned in the interview which did reinforce for me personally a sense of mistrust. I too was absolutely horrified at just how normal and everyday he did appear, except for the eyes at times. There is much in that final interview just prior to death that was totally different to what he had to say at other times and though he protested a few times that he was taking full responsibility for what he did, what he had to state left me questioning whether he was actually taking sole and full responsibility or subtly shifting it elsewhere. He even implied, without openly stating it, at one point at least that he had a psychotic episode during the murders. He put all the clues out for the viewer to arrive at a probably logical conclusion - on the clues only. Manipulative to me, or I can concede that I had preconceived notions about the man. Be all that as it may, no person is beyond redemption and I do hope that he made his peace with God prior to death. Any conclusions I came to for myself personally could well be wrong. It was horrific to watch the video knowing what he had done - and I didn't get off to sleep too easy that night since it brought home with impact just what extent of shocking evil can exist in our world and under the appearances of a 'man next door' type image. Truly scary stuff! To me it was wise even prudent to know this, hopefully without paranoia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarbTherese Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 What was the profession of the man who interviewed TB in the video? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 What was the profession of the man who interviewed TB in the video? James Dobson. He does family stuff. He started "focus on the family" a radio show that played mostly on Christian radio stations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 I think one of the reasons I preferred to work with death row guys who had been high when they committed their crimes is that they weren't usually psychopaths. When sober they were as horrified by their crime as everyone else was. Psychopaths give me the collywobbles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlySunshine Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 I agree. Probably not the best of moves to put any trust in what a serial killer and psychopathic personality who is highly intelligent and very likely manipulative and good at it has to state, There were a few things I questioned in the interview which did reinforce for me personally a sense of mistrust. I too was absolutely horrified at just how normal and everyday he did appear, except for the eyes at times. There is much in that final interview just prior to death that was totally different to what he had to say at other times and though he protested a few times that he was taking full responsibility for what he did, what he had to state left me questioning whether he was actually taking sole and full responsibility or subtly shifting it elsewhere. He even implied, without openly stating it, at one point at least that he had a psychotic episode during the murders. He put all the clues out for the viewer to arrive at a probably logical conclusion - on the clues only. Manipulative to me, or I can concede that I had preconceived notions about the man. Be all that as it may, no person is beyond redemption and I do hope that he made his peace with God prior to death. Any conclusions I came to for myself personally could well be wrong. It was horrific to watch the video knowing what he had done - and I didn't get off to sleep too easy that night since it brought home with impact just what extent of shocking evil can exist in our world and under the appearances of a 'man next door' type image. Truly scary stuff! To me it was wise even prudent to know this, hopefully without paranoia. His eyes really creep me out. I saw some pictures of him and was reading about his criminal case and I hated the photos. He looked like a mad man. This one, especially, bothered me: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 His eyes really creep me out. I saw some pictures of him and was reading about his criminal case and I hated the photos. He looked like a mad man. This one, especially, bothered me: Yeah it's always in the eyes. I've worked with guys who had that vacant look in their eyes. My supervisor told me that that's one way to peg a manipulator, because they're watching you very closely to see your reactions, however subtle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 I'm also shocked at how normal he looks and how well-educated his speech is. I was aware that Bundy was infamous for these things, but wow... That was the thing about Bundy -- from an academic perspective, he was actually pretty smart and articulate. He was a straight laced college student, he was charming to women when he wanted to be, worked in politics and even volunteered at a suicide hotline. He was able to come across as a sympathetic character, which was probably why he was able to lure so many women into "helping" him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo in Deum Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 His eyes really creep me out. I saw some pictures of him and was reading about his criminal case and I hated the photos. He looked like a mad man. This one, especially, bothered me: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortify ii Posted June 16, 2014 Author Share Posted June 16, 2014 So are some of you guys suggesting Bundy lied during this interview and that pornography had nothing with his condition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 I think he was just looking for something to blame. Until he confessed at the end, his Mom thought all those years that he was innocent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarbTherese Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 So are some of you guys suggesting Bundy lied during this interview and that pornography had nothing with his condition? For me, no this is not what I was suggesting. Pornography may or may not have had something to do with his actual formation on a marked level - and he may or may not have lied. Pornography might have had something to do with the whole situation either as formation or perhaps deliberately sort out material to feed an existing tendency/desire. I meant to state that, as an ordinary person and not a professional on any level, it is probably most unwise to fully trust a serial killer who probably brutally murdered 30 to 100 people who is highly intelligent, well educated and probably psychopathic and a serial killer known to be skilled in deceiving others and also manipulation. A serial killer who had blatantly and unashamedly made contrary comments, quite contrary, to those in that final interview. Unwise to fully trust such a person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortify ii Posted June 17, 2014 Author Share Posted June 17, 2014 For me, no this is not what I was suggesting. Pornography may or may not have had something to do with his actual formation on a marked level - and he may or may not have lied. Pornography might have had something to do with the whole situation either as formation or perhaps deliberately sort out material to feed an existing tendency/desire. I meant to state that, as an ordinary person and not a professional on any level, it is probably most unwise to fully trust a serial killer who probably brutally murdered 30 to 100 people who is highly intelligent, well educated and probably psychopathic and a serial killer known to be skilled in deceiving others and also manipulation. A serial killer who had blatantly and unashamedly made contrary comments, quite contrary, to those in that final interview. Unwise to fully trust such a person. I'm not saying his words are to be taken without a grain of salt but he man made this interview literally less than twenty-four hours before his life would be extinguished. If he was lying or manipulating, one has to wonder what the motive would have been. What contradictory comments are you referring to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarbTherese Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 I'm not saying his words are to be taken without a grain of salt but he man made this interview literally less than twenty-four hours before his life would be extinguished. If he was lying or manipulating, one has to wonder what the motive would have been. What contradictory comments are you referring to? I think it is very hard to even impossible for people of Faith to understand the mentality of a person who has not respect for others and none for God either and may even at death disbelieve there is anything after death. I am not saying that TB was such a person, only that they do exist sadly. Motive for a psychopath might could perhaps have been simply that he had conned and manipulated people even at the end - egocentric or egomaniac (satisfaction of his own ego), and a narcissistic personality. We just do not have the mentality of such a sad person and think the way that they do, nor can we understand it....only know that a different thought pattern as it were does exist in such personalities. The contradictory comments I was referring to are those prior to his final court case and couple of arrests. For example: “You feel the last bit of breath leaving their body. You’re looking into their eyes. A person in that situation is God!†“Murder is not about lust and it’s not about violence. It’s about possession.†“What’s one less person on the face of the earth, anyway?†The whole tone of the interview was contrary to such like statements. Was he lying in the interview, I really don't know. But I would not put my trust in such a man. I can hope and pray that immediately before death he was repentant and made his peace with God if he was lying and deceptive and manipulating during the interview. I am no expert for sure, far less than that. I simply would not trust the man on what I do know and this can only be gleaned from media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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