Perigrina Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 Interesting because I did not see anyone expressing offense at the posts made towards the traditional Liturgy. Quite frankly it seemed to cause no offense at all, and so why should it cause offense when someone feels the same towards the newer liturgy? We're all Catholics here just trying to live the faith and be better people. I draw your attention to posts #46-53 in that thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortify ii Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 Ever consider that the reason I made this thread might be so that people who like one over the other don't have to get all negative in the other group's thread? So that we could quit being jerks to eachother? This is why we can't have nice things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortify ii Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 I draw your attention to posts #46-53 in that thread. Four pages in an after a discussion on yoga pants, nice! But I agree with Luigi, nothing wrong with expressing our opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatitude Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 I love the simplicity, and the vernacular. I love me some Latin, too, but I do prefer the vernacular for Mass, myself. Maybe some Latin here and there. I'm the same. I also think it's natural to be more attached to the liturgy you grew up with, especially if you get to Mass every day - you become intimately familiar with it and it starts to feel like a part of you. I went to Mass in the EF for the first time when I was eighteen or nineteen, and not having grown up with it, it felt a little distant - beautiful, but distant. Now I am more familiar with it and I usually attend an EF Mass at least once a month when I'm at home, but it will never be quite the same to me as the OF. For me there is also a risk that worship in the Extraordinary Form becomes an intellectual exercise, with my brain trying to translate and keep up with the Latin rather than focusing on the prayers. In the OF I can just submerge myself. Now, as a student abroad in the Holy Land, I go to a Melkite Catholic church (my local parish) and I experience a similar feeling here. The liturgy is very beautiful but I'm not at home in it in the same way. I am planning to ask the priest if he can meet with me to teach me more about Eastern Catholicism as I want to feel more integrated into the life of my local church, and even though I know I can assist well at Mass without having a perfect grasp of everything that goes on, I think that I would benefit from more understanding of what's happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perigrina Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 Four pages in an after a discussion on yoga pantaloons, nice! But I agree with Luigi, nothing wrong with expressing our opinions. There is something wrong with expressing your opinions when you are not included in the group that was invited to express their opinions. There is something wrong with expressing your opinions when it is predictably upsetting to others. There is not much point to posting teddy bears and hugs, if you will not be considerate of the feelings of others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortify ii Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 I didn't realize a special invitation was required... I respect honesty and authenticity. I did not find Luigi's lack of intetest in the traditional liturgy offensive, surprising but not offensive, and I respect him for his honesty. Any sincere dialogue requires authenticity, otherwise we won't get anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perigrina Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 I didn't realize a special invitation was required... I respect honesty and authenticity. I did not find Luigi's lack of intetest in the traditional liturgy offensive, surprising but not offensive, and I respect him for his honesty. Any sincere dialogue requires authenticity, otherwise we won't get anywhere. One thread invited those who prefer the EF to describe what attracts them to it. The other thread invited those who prefer the OF to describe what attracts them to it. Neither thread was intended for dialogue and there is nothing "honest and authentic" about ignoring the intent of a thread to make comments that some find offensive, even if you yourself do not find it offensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortify ii Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 One thread invited those who prefer the EF to describe what attracts them to it. The other thread invited those who prefer the OF to describe what attracts them to it. Neither thread was intended for dialogue and there is nothing "honest and authentic" about ignoring the intent of a thread to make comments that some find offensive, even if you yourself do not find it offensive. I don't think that deeply into internet forums and what the intent of a particular thread might be and whether some online courtesy is being broken. I simply express my authentic opinion, and personally do not take offense if someone expresses an opinion contrary to mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo in Deum Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 I don't think that deeply into internet forums and what the intent of a particular thread might be and whether some online courtesy is being broken. I simply express my authentic opinion, and personally do not take offense if someone expresses an opinion contrary to mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ithinkjesusiscool Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 I hope it's Jesus! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountrySteve21 Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 Because its what the Church wants the Liturgy to be. Though, I'm all for a solmen OF MAss in Latin (or atleast the ORdinary in Latin) and especially the Priest facing Liturgical East and not the people. I wish the average parish would have what VII wanted the MAss too be and not so much nonsense. http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_const_19631204_sacrosanctum-concilium_en.html PAx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG45 Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 It's what I converted with. It's easier for me to understand in the vernacular, and it doesn't allow my attention to wander. And it was there for me in a dark period where I didn't want to wake up the next day, each day, for months and months on end; the only time in that period that I felt like me were when I was at the N.O. Mass. And of course, because Christ is present in the Eucharist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfink Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 The other thing that draws me to the ordinary form is that it's very Roman. There is something undeniably Roman about a mass that is simple and direct with no extra frills. Rather like being in a quiet room with an old friend. I like the ritual just as the sacramentary serves it up, as some prefer their steak: just the meat. The extra stuff (Latin, incense, veils, or coming from the other direction, guitars and drum sets and all that stuff) is nice some of the time, but a constant diet of it becomes heavy and burdensome for me. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not The Philosopher Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 The other thing that draws me to the ordinary form is that it's very Roman. There is something undeniably Roman about a mass that is simple and direct with no extra frills. Rather like being in a quiet room with an old friend. I like the ritual just as the sacramentary serves it up, as some prefer their steak: just the meat. The extra stuff (Latin, incense, veils, or coming from the other direction, guitars and drum sets and all that stuff) is nice some of the time, but a constant diet of it becomes heavy and burdensome for me. :P Interesting. I suppose I tend towards the opposite direction, with a bit of a baroque sensibility. I like the romance of ancient languages, candles and incense, all the frills, etc. But I do also appreciate the sense of peace that can come from an NO mass without music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slappo Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 The same thing that draws me to the EF. My moral obligation to attend on Sunday's and holy days of obligation. :| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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