Ice_nine Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 Probably analogous to the Roman practice of Churching of the Mother, I would guess. the hell is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 the hell is that? http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03761a.htm A blessing given by the Church to mothers after recovery from childbirth. Only a Catholic woman who has given birth to a child in legitimate wedlock, provided she has not allowed the child to be baptized outside theCatholic Church, is entitled to it. It is not a precept, but a pious and praiseworthy custom (Rituale Romanum), dating from the early Christian ages, for a mother to present herself in the Church as soon as she is able to leave her house (St. Charles Borromeo, First Council of Milan), to render thanks to God for her happy delivery, and to obtain by means of the priestly blessing the graces necessary to bring up her child in a Christianmanner. The prayers indicate that this blessing is intended solely for the benefit of the mother, and hence it is not necessary that she should bring the child with her; nevertheless, in many places the pious and edifyingcustom prevails of specially dedicating the child to God. For, as the Mother of Christ carried her Child to theTemple to offer Him to the Eternal Father, so a Christian mother is anxious to present her offspring to God and obtain for it the blessing of the Church. This blessing, in the ordinary form, without change or omission, is to be given to the mother, even if her child was stillborn, or has died without baptism (Cong. Sac. Rit., 19 May, 1896). The churching of women is not a strictly parochial function, yet the Congregation of Sacred Rites (21 November, 1893) decided that a parish priest, if asked to give it, must do so, and if another priest is asked to perform the rite, he may do so in any church or public oratory, provided the superior of said church or oratorybe notified. It must be imparted in a church or in a place in which Mass is celebrated, as the very name "churching" is intended to suggest a pilgrimage of thanksgiving to the church, and as the rubrics indicate in the expressions: "desires to come to the church", "he conducts her into the church", she kneels before the altar", etc. Hence the Second Plenary Council of Baltimore (No. 246) prohibits the practice of churching in places in which Mass is not celebrated. The mother, kneeling in the vestibule, or within the church, and carrying a lighted candle, awaits the priest, who, vested in surplice and white stole, sprinkles her with holy water in the form of a cross. Having recitedPsalm 23, "The earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof", he offers her the left extremity of the stole and leads her into the church, saying: "Enter thou into the temple of God, adore the Son of the Blessed Virgin Marywho has given thee fruitfulness of offspring." She advances to one of the altars and kneels before it, whilst thepriest, turned towards her, recites a prayer which expresses the object of the blessing, and then, having sprinkled her again with holy water in the form of the cross, dismisses her, saying: "The peace and blessing ofGod Almighty, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, descend upon thee, and remain forever. Amen." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo in Deum Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 Can't have an Eastern Catholic thread without a little good.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 Eastern Rite Catholics must accept my authority over them, as do Latin Rite Catholics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinytherese Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 Someone needs to write Eastern Christianity for Dummies so that those of us of the West can understand the other lung. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perigrina Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 Someone needs to write Eastern Christianity for Dummies so that those of us of the West can understand the other lung. The book we used when I took an introductory course on Eastern Christianity was The Orthodox Church by Timothy Ware http://www.amazon.com/The-Orthodox-Church-New-Edition/dp/0140146563 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo in Deum Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 The book we used when I took an introductory course on Eastern Christianity was The Orthodox Church by Timothy Ware http://www.amazon.com/The-Orthodox-Church-New-Edition/dp/0140146563 You're nickname is "The Librarian" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perigrina Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 You're nickname is "The Librarian" I've been called worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 The book we used when I took an introductory course on Eastern Christianity was The Orthodox Church by Timothy Ware http://www.amazon.com/The-Orthodox-Church-New-Edition/dp/0140146563 Is he the same person as Kallistos Ware? Because if so, I like him a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perigrina Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 Is he the same person as Kallistos Ware? Because if so, I like him a lot. Yes, that is he. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not The Philosopher Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 Is he the same person as Kallistos Ware? Because if so, I like him a lot. He is indeed a charming man. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NR0KZT5rjZc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eliakim Posted June 9, 2014 Author Share Posted June 9, 2014 No no no. Met. Kallistos Ware is not Eastern Catholic. He is Orthodox. My Maronite contact got back to me and said Eastern Catholics absolutely must obey Rome on those dogmas. Ciao~ E Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotreDame Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Someone needs to write Eastern Christianity for Dummies so that those of us of the West can understand the other lung. I thought it would be a short book until I saw this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selah Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 (edited) No no no. Met. Kallistos Ware is not Eastern Catholic. He is Orthodox. My Maronite contact got back to me and said Eastern Catholics absolutely must obey Rome on those dogmas. Ciao~ E *facepalm* Maronite. Not Melkite. We were talking about Melkites. We were talking about what Melkites believed and practiced. I already told you Maronites believe in the Immaculate Conception. Though, that was after Latinization took place, so your friend is basically saying, "I follow what Rome does after they forced us to take on practices we never held previously" I thought you said you had good contacts. Go contact a Melkite and ask them. How hard is that? I'll do it for you if you want. Ugh. I'm losing my patience with you. I've given you more than enough and you still reject it. I said go ask a Melkite and you asked a Maronite for some reason. I can't even. Edited June 9, 2014 by Selah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perigrina Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 No no no. Met. Kallistos Ware is not Eastern Catholic. He is Orthodox. The spirituality and liturgy of Eastern Catholics and Orthodox are very similar. Also they are interconnected historically. I am not sure it is possible to understand Eastern Catholics without understanding Orthodoxy first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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