Credo in Deum Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 Yep. That should be exactly the case. That is not only an unrealistic expectation you place towards fallen humanity but an uncharitable one as well. I'm not saying men shouldn't try to do their part, however, women should help men be chaste and men should help women be chaste. This is called charity and is why modesty is an act of charity towards our neighbor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perigrina Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 http://youtu.be/SSUXXzN26zg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 There is a old Vulcan proverb "No thread on Phatmass will ever stay on topic for long." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo in Deum Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 There is a old Vulcan proverb "No thread on Phatmass will ever stay on topic for long." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary+Immaculate<3 Posted June 6, 2014 Author Share Posted June 6, 2014 (edited) Okay, I see that that Vulcan proverb reigns true. Perhaps I should state the reason for starting this thread. I was raised in a parish that is very traditional. I almost always went to an Ad Orientem or EF Mass, and the way I was educated about the faith (i.e. strict, cold, and legalistic croutons up the wazoo) made me really hate my church. Don't get me wrong, I have some great friends from there, one of them being my best, closest friend. But it wasn't until I went to the march for Life that I had a life-changing experience in Confession. That changed my attitude about the faith, I did a 180. When I went to Mass after that I really appreciated it a lot more. For awhile I did like going to the EF, but mostly because it was a change from what I usually did. Now at my parish (I've been at the same one my whole life) we have a youth group that some of my friends and I spearheaded, which meets after the EF Mass. So every other Sunday I go to it. I now prefer the NO (and I don't use that abbreviation derogatorily), because: 1) I have an easier time concentrating and I know what I'm saying 2) I can participate more easily 3) I know exactly when the consecration happens, which is a stumbling block for me at the EF Mass since the consecration is done under the priest's breath. Knowing when the consecration happens strengthens and increases my Eucharistic faith. Of course, there are some less-than-okay NO Masses, no one is denying that. NO is, however, my personal preference. So, the main reason for starting this thread was to see what it was that others see and love in the Traditional Latin Mass. I was wondering whether perhaps I was overlooking something that might change my mind about it, or offer a new perspective, since so many Traditional parishes are shooting up lately and it is discussed so often on the Phorum. At this point, I still stand with the NO, but perhaps some day I will decide otherwise and go regularly to the EF. For now, however, I am happy with the NO. I am grateful to the Lord that He has Masses in different forms to appeal to a myriad of personalities, cultures, preferences, and attention spans ;) God bless. Edited June 6, 2014 by Mary+Immaculate<3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perigrina Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 3) I know exactly when the consecration happens, which is a stumbling block for me at the EF Mass since the consecration is done under the priest's breath. Knowing when the consecration happens strengthens and increases my Eucharistic faith. It should be possible to tell from the priest's gestures. He bows as he says the words of consecration and genuflects immediately afterward as the server rings the bells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 Thats because I have been raised in a culture that objectifies women. Not saying its right. Saying we should be able to walk around naked devalues the human body according as Catholic theology understands it. Just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarbTherese Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 I really would like to experience a combination of a Latin and English Mass - most in our parish would be familiar I should think with say The Sanctus and Credo, Gloria in Latin and some of the responses in Latin - rest in English. Wouldn't take long to learn with all responses etc. projected onto a large screen, which we do use. I was astounded when I heard our pp sing - he would be outstanding in a male monastic choir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossCuT Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 Saying we should be able to walk around naked devalues the human body according as Catholic theology understands it. Just saying. Then dont walk around naked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bus Station Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 No speak English ergo me gusta Misa Latina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perigrina Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 I really would like to experience a combination of a Latin and English Mass - most in our parish would be familiar I should think with say The Sanctus and Credo, Gloria in Latin and some of the responses in Latin - rest in English. Wouldn't take long to learn with all responses etc. projected onto a large screen, which we do use. I was astounded when I heard our pp sing - he would be outstanding in a male monastic choir. As I understand Sacrosanctum Concilium, the Vatican Council document on liturgy, this was the intent of the Council fathers. Although they allowed for a completely vernacular Mass, this was seen as an exception to be used by missionaries and in similar situations. It is a shame that the exception ended up becoming the usual practice, because I think the combination of languages is a much better way to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG45 Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Curiosity. A sense of mystery and majesty. A great deal of reverence from some in attendance. And of course, because Christ is present in the Eucharist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fides' Jack Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 bump. :popcorn2: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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