What Draws You The The Traditional Latin Mass?

[Perigrina]

I've been to Byzantine liturgies done in English, which have as much tradition and reverence within them as the Traditional Latin Mass. I enjoy some Latin spread throughout the liturgy (Confetior, Angus Dei, etc.) because it sort of ties us to our Catholic ancestors. But the whole thing in Latin? Does anyone here even know more than like 15 words in Latin?

 

My Latin is pretty good, but I realize that it is an obstacle for a lot of people. 

[Nihil Obstat]

I have no Latin whatsoever, besides the easy words and the ones that I have picked up from the Mass itself. Honestly, I find the Latin to aid my participation, to the point that I find English at the Novus Ordo to be a little jarring. Personally.

I appreciated the use of English in the Anglican Ordinariate Mass to be pretty good. Nice and elevated. The plainchant in English did not seem forced either. I think having the Canon and Propers in Latin is preferable in terms of Roman patrimony though.

Edited June 2, 2014 by Nihil Obstat

[PhuturePriest]

To all the people who go to the Traditional Latin Mass, I'm just curious, what draws you there? One reason or a combination? I am happy to hear what you think. What is more attractive there than what is at a "regular" (for lack of a better adjective) NO Mass?

 

"Novus Ordo" is actually not the proper term for the "regular" Mass. The proper term is "Ordinary Form", or "OF". The reason why this is a big deal is the term "Novus Ordo" is a mock term by radical traditionalists that means "New Order". It implies that it's an entirely new Mass.

 

Your liturgy lesson for the day.

[Credo in Deum]

I know zero Latin which is why I go to the Tridentine Mass. I'm forced to pay attention.

Edited June 2, 2014 by Credo in Deum

[Nihil Obstat]

"Novus Ordo" is actually not the proper term for the "regular" Mass. The proper term is "Ordinary Form", or "OF". The reason why this is a big deal is the term "Novus Ordo" is a mock term by radical traditionalists that means "New Order". It implies that it's an entirely new Mass.

 

Your liturgy lesson for the day.

Novus Ordo is acceptable terminology. Ordinary Form is essentially a legal designation.

[Perigrina]

"Novus Ordo" is actually not the proper term for the "regular" Mass. The proper term is "Ordinary Form", or "OF". The reason why this is a big deal is the term "Novus Ordo" is a mock term by radical traditionalists that means "New Order". It implies that it's an entirely new Mass.

 

Your liturgy lesson for the day.

 

I think the Wikipedia explanation contains some relevant information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_of_Paul_VI

 

In advance of the 1969 decision on the form of the revision of the liturgy, a preliminary draft of two sections of the Roman Missal was published. The section containing the unvarying part of the Mass is called Ordo Missae (Order of Mass) since at least 1634.^[71] In a speech he gave in 1976, Pope Paul VI unremarkably referred to this revised section as "novus Ordo Missae" (the new Order of Mass), novus being Latin for "new".^[72] Later, some began to use "Novus Ordo Missae", or simply "Novus Ordo", as a specific composite term for the entirety of the revised rite of Mass. Traditionalist Catholics often use it in a pejorative manner, and sometimes employ it as a blanket condemnatory term for the present-day Church ("the Novus Ordo Church"). However, "Novus Ordo" appears in no official Church document as a term for the revised form of the Roman Rite Mass.

 

Please don't assume ill will when people use the term "Novus Ordo".  I have used it many times and never meant anything pejorative by it.  That was just the term used by people I hung around with. It did not seem to me to have any negative implications.  After all, Paul VI himself used the expression.

 

I am totally willing to refrain from using the term here.  I do not want to offend anyone.

[Nihil Obstat]

Novus Ordo is, basically speaking, an informal descriptive term. Literally, the "new order" of the Mass. Pope Paul referred to it as such, again informally.
 
"Peculiari autem modo id eo gravius censendum est, quod illuc divisio inducitur, ubi congregavit nos in unum Christi amor, scilicet in Liturgiam atque in Eucharisticum Sacrificium, cum denegetur obsequium normis de re liturgica statutis. At vero, nomine ipsius Traditionis Nos ab omnibus filiis Nostris atque ab omnibus catholicis communitatibus postulamus, ut cum dignitate pietatisque fervore renovatae Liturgiae ritus celebrentur. Usus novi Ordinis Missae minime quidem sacerdotum vel christifidelium arbitrio permittitur. Instructione autem edita die quarto decimo mensis Iunii anno millesimo nongentesimo septuagesimo primo provisum est, ut Missae celebratio antiquo ritu sineretur, facultate data ab Ordinario, tantummodo sacerdotibus aetate provectis vel infirmis, qui Divinum Sacrificium sine populo offerrent. Novus Ordo promulgatus est, ut in locum veteris substitueretur post maturam deliberationem, atque ad exsequendas normas quae a Concilio Vaticano II impertitae sunt. Haud dissimili ratione, Decessor Noster S. Pius V post Concilium Tridentinum Missale auctoritate sua recognitum adhiberi iusserat."

 

Pope Benedict preferred Ordinary Form as a legal designation, as in this Mass being ordinary, binding, etc. Ordinary in the sense of "default". Mass of Pope Paul VI is also entirely acceptable. Personally I usually use this terminology, or Pauline Missal/Mass, again for the descriptive aspect.

[Perigrina]

Novus Ordo is acceptable terminology. Ordinary Form is essentially a legal designation.

 

That has been the way that I have understood it.  However, it makes a difference to learn that some people consider it mocking and pejorative.

[PhuturePriest]

I think the Wikipedia explanation contains some relevant information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_of_Paul_VI

 

In advance of the 1969 decision on the form of the revision of the liturgy, a preliminary draft of two sections of the Roman Missal was published. The section containing the unvarying part of the Mass is called Ordo Missae (Order of Mass) since at least 1634.^[71] In a speech he gave in 1976, Pope Paul VI unremarkably referred to this revised section as "novus Ordo Missae" (the new Order of Mass), novus being Latin for "new".^[72] Later, some began to use "Novus Ordo Missae", or simply "Novus Ordo", as a specific composite term for the entirety of the revised rite of Mass. Traditionalist Catholics often use it in a pejorative manner, and sometimes employ it as a blanket condemnatory term for the present-day Church ("the Novus Ordo Church"). However, "Novus Ordo" appears in no official Church document as a term for the revised form of the Roman Rite Mass.

 

Please don't assume ill will when people use the term "Novus Ordo".  I have used it many times and never meant anything pejorative by it.  That was just the term used by people I hung around with. It did not seem to me to have any negative implications.  After all, Paul VI himself used the expression.

 

I am totally willing to refrain from using the term here.  I do not want to offend anyone.

 

Don't worry, I'm not offended by the term. I know 98% of the people who use it don't know what it means or why it is meant to be offensive. I just like to teach people the meaning of the term and why they should use "Ordinary Form" instead. I myself didn't know this until a few months ago when my spiritual director (a traditionalist priest) corrected me when I used it and explained why I shouldn't.

[Nihil Obstat]

Also, the Great and Powerful Dustâ„¢ uses the term Novus Ordo. :|

[Credo in Deum]

I love you guys/gals.

[Perigrina]

Also, the Great and Powerful Dustâ„¢ uses the term Novus Ordo. :|

 

Dust says it's OK and FP's priest says it's not.

 

[Nihil Obstat]

Btw, "Novus Ordo" is the preferred usage of my priests. :|

[Credo in Deum]

Also the Extraordinary Form used to be the Ordinary Form.

Yeah, total mind blower there!

[Perigrina]

DOUBLE MIND BLOWN