Perigrina Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 This keeps coming up in threads, so I decided to do a post to let people know where I am coming from. Firstly I am a Catholic, but I often call myself a trad. I attend the Extraordinary Form when possible and I appreciate traditional music, architecture, devotions, etc. Some people think that being a trad means being hypercritical of recent Church teaching or popes, but that does not have anything to do with tradition, as far as I'm concerned. I first attended an Extraordinary Form Mass in 2007 on the day when Summorum Pontificum came into effect. I had always been attracted to traditional devotions because I valued the sense of connection to my ancestors in the Faith. Also I was intrigued by what Pope Benedict had written about it. And part of it was just curiosity. Over time, as I had more opportunities to attend the EF, I came to prefer it. I found it aesthetically more to my taste and, as I studied it, I came to see it as a better expression of Catholic Eucharistic theology. However, I never questioned that the Ordinary Form is a valid, licit Catholic Mass. I even defended this view in places where it was not always a popular opinion, as I was spending time on various forums for traditional Catholics. I am not one of those people who goes around complaining about the OF all the time. I became Catholic through encountering Christ in the Eucharist at the Ordinary Form Mass. I had attended this Mass for almost 30 years before I even once attended the traditional one. The Ordinary Form is still the form of Mass that my husband and most of my children prefer. And this last point is the reason that I feel so strongly about not wanting to fight about it. As I was first discovering the Extraordinary Form, I must have put off my husband by my enthusiasm. Or perhaps he was just upset by the more extreme forms of traditionalism he encountered in the forums I was participating in. I was hurt that he seemed to be including me with those sorts of trads when he knew my beliefs were different. There just seemed to be a lot of misunderstanding and being upset with each other. It was a rough time in our marriage. We were used to religion being a source of strength and unity for us, not something to fight about. Eventually we worked through it, but I had seen up close and personal in our "domestic church" how destructive this issue could be. This experience is what I bring to my view of the issue in the universal Church. It does not have to be destructive and I don't want other people being hurt and upset and divided from each other. I want to help Catholics to get past misunderstandings and get along with each other. So that is where I am coming from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo in Deum Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 I real trad would have typed this in Latin. Just saying. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perigrina Posted June 2, 2014 Author Share Posted June 2, 2014 Are you dissing my trad cred? :bash: In lingua latina scribere scio sed opto omnes lectores intellegere. Then again, considering the amount of response I'm getting, maybe it would not have made a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo in Deum Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 :wedgie: :dance: :buddies2: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perigrina Posted June 2, 2014 Author Share Posted June 2, 2014 :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossCuT Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perigrina Posted June 2, 2014 Author Share Posted June 2, 2014 I guess you want the tl;dr version: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossCuT Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 I read the whole thing. I just was feeling meh. I realize that I can be a very confrontational person so I was trying really hard to be confrontational so I posted that picture...which I guess is me being confrontational. I wanna go to a beach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perigrina Posted June 2, 2014 Author Share Posted June 2, 2014 I read the whole thing. I just was feeling meh. I realize that I can be a very confrontational person so I was trying really hard to be confrontational so I posted that picture...which I guess is me being confrontational. I wanna go to a beach. So, if someone saying she doesn't want to fight makes you confrontational, what happens when somebody wants to fight with you? :unsure: Anyhow, I hate going to the beach. We can fight about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossCuT Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 You saying you dont want to be confrontational is fine...but I just found some of the other things in there a bit odd. LIke "I dont wanna say one way is better than the other, but clearly one way IS better than the other." Thats kinda the impression I got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo in Deum Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perigrina Posted June 2, 2014 Author Share Posted June 2, 2014 You saying you dont want to be confrontational is fine...but I just found some of the other things in there a bit odd. LIke "I dont wanna say one way is better than the other, but clearly one way IS better than the other." Thats kinda the impression I got. I suppose, if it were allowed by the phorum rules, I could write about specific concerns I have with the Ordinary Form. But ultimately, these do not matter. I submit to the authority of the Church. I accept the Novus Ordo as the ordinary liturgy of the Church. I accept that people have a right to prefer and attend that form of Mass. My opinions are irrelevant. I want to be respectful of people's choices that are permitted by Church teaching and I want to overcome any hurt or divisions that have arisen from our differences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossCuT Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 I suppose, if it were allowed by the phorum rules, I could write about specific concerns I have with the Ordinary Form. But ultimately, these do not matter. I submit to the authority of the Church. I accept the Novus Ordo as the ordinary liturgy of the Church. I accept that people have a right to prefer and attend that form of Mass. My opinions are irrelevant. I want to be respectful of people's choices that are permitted by Church teaching and I want to overcome any hurt or divisions that have arisen from our differences. Maybe Im just being overly sensitive, but every time you post you have this way of saying "I respect the decision to choose the OF or EF mass" yet in the same breath you manage to also note that you think the EF is superior or that you have "concerns" about the OF. I understand that you want to be nice and fluffy with everyone, but if you think one is better thats OKAY! We all have preferences. But you seem to be implying that it might not be a personal preference? Youre referencing these "concerns" because you think there are some inherent problems with the OF? Im just trying to understand your stance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perigrina Posted June 2, 2014 Author Share Posted June 2, 2014 Maybe Im just being overly sensitive, but every time you post you have this way of saying "I respect the decision to choose the OF or EF mass" yet in the same breath you manage to also note that you think the EF is superior or that you have "concerns" about the OF. I understand that you want to be nice and fluffy with everyone, but if you think one is better thats OKAY! We all have preferences. But you seem to be implying that it might not be a personal preference? Youre referencing these "concerns" because you think there are some inherent problems with the OF? Im just trying to understand your stance. People who live in sheep avatars should not call others nice and fluffy. :) Actually I am not very interested in being nice and fluffy. I am however quite keen on obeying the phorum rules. Do you often ask people questions that could get them thrown off the phorum if they give the wrong answer? What you need to understand about my stance is what I have already said. I submit to the authority of the Church and accept her teaching over my personal opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossCuT Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Ok I understand now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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