The Movie: "saved"

[HomeTeamFamily]

im not arguing the satire on Christianity......if that were the only issue in the movie i may go see it because i am solid in my beliefs.....however, my issue with it is the "junk" that is in the movie......it is not to my benefit to see a movie that, while maybe not advertised as such, is littered with sexual references......thats not helping me in my faith walk

[quote]my point was that you can't avoid subjects such as these in society today.[/quote]

why not?? if you know it is there, why would you knowingly go in and participate??

[quote]this movie to my knowledge is not promoting them, but rather attacking them and showing how they do exist and even among "Christians".[/quote]

how is it not promoting them?? simply by using/showing it, it is being promoted

[point5]

You can't avoid them...people talk about them, sex in some form is almost everywhere. You are correct that we should avoid where we know it is, however you somehow see the acts in this movie as harmful to those who watch it. I on the other hand disagree, from my perspective. They might be harmful for some, not me. If I knew this movie had nudity or graphic sex scenes I would not see it. As of now I'm not condemning this pg-13 movie and it's not gonna waver me.

Promoting

The movie is not promoting them because they are not the focus of the promotional schemes of the movie. If I see a movie about a girl who gets raped andthen perserveres and has an amazing life...does that movie promote rape...no. This movie has many sexual references/situations...none I feel threatening to my walk with Christ and the church. These are all situation that reflect some of the culture of our youth today. The movie turns them somewhat humorous. It does not however permote them.

at least to my knowledge


-Kiel

[Luthien]

I see nothing humorous about human sexuality being mocked....

[Carrie]

All this debate and no one has actually seen the movie. I'll take an opinion about it seriously from someone who's actually seen it, rather than what people have "heard about it."

I agree with Kiel...if you know the movie is not going to shake your faith in any way, then why can't we relax and poke fun at ourselves?

[Luthien]

I know enough about the content to know I dont want to wast 2 hours of my life watching it, probably cringing the whole time.

Another point.... why support it?

[Apollo]

I'll go see it, and if I laugh a little [i]too[/i] much...then I will say 10 Hail Mary's.

[Carrie]

I'm not saying I'm supporting or condemning it. What I'm saying is, if this is a movie that will not shake your faith, is harmless enough to be PG-13 (meaning no sex scenes, violence, etc). then why can't an adult choose to go and be humored without others saying something about it? Lots of people are judging without having seen the movie themselves. Besides, who says we can't find humor in poking fun at ourselves? Look at how many people on this site thought Dogma was hilarious. Alot. Did it shake their faith? No. It was simply humorous.

[voiciblanche]

Right, but when you see this kind of stuff [i] over [/i] and [i] over [/i] again, you become... [i] numb [/i] to it. It doesn't offend you anymore. You don't care if people do it anymore. And we as Catholics that are trying to bring the Truth to the world have to stay offended by stuff that could poison our souls. We have to keep loving the sinner and hating the sin, which we can't do if we're just loving the sinner and caring less about the sin.

[Iacobus]

I think there is a problem with many Christians that this film is a satire of. The goal of a satire is to get change in those groups or society. So maybe it pokes fun at the Christian faith but probly not at REAL Christians. It sounds like it makes fun of the more White- Anglo- Saxon- holier than thou- God is for Sundays, he doesn't care what I do the rest of the time- preach it but don't live it Christians. Something like that is needed but if it attacks the key points of the faith in doing so, it is worthless.

[voiciblanche]

It really doesn't seem to do that. From what I've read it doesn't seem to attack the Faith. But does it have objectionable material in it? Yes.

[Luthien]

[quote name='voiciblanche' date='Jun 7 2004, 07:45 PM'] [url="http://screenit.com/movies/2004/saved.html"]http://screenit.com/movies/2004/saved.html[/url]

[/quote]
There are sex scenes if you read the ScreenIt article without the edits in it.

[Colleen]

[quote name='crusader1234' date='Jun 7 2004, 09:25 PM'] now that i have come to agree with voici, i still need some proof from jen. you are smart lets hear it (i have no idea what USCCB is, so if youd copy and paste something for me i'd appreciate it). i'm not saying its not possible i just dont see the blasphemy of it.

-rich [/quote]
USCCB is the US Council of Catholic Bishops and they have movie reviews on their sites, and rate them for their moral content. I posted a link to their review in one of my other posts and quoted the part about blasphemy, but I'll post it again.

[url="http://www.usccb.org/movies/s/saved.htm"]USCCB review[/url]

Tart teen comedy about a senior (Jena Malone) at an evangelical high school, who, after her boyfriend (Chad Faust) tells her that he thinks he is gay, sleeps with him in an attempt to "cure" him and winds up getting pregnant, sending her into a spiritual tailspin and putting her at odds with her sanctimonious best friend (Mandy Moore). Directed by Brian Dannelly, the film uses satire to offer a scalding critique of hypocrisy and puffed-up piety, but its wall-to-wall bashing of conservative Christians, which at times stoops to irreverent lows, displays the same sort of insensitivity which the movie purportedly decries. Religious stereotypes, an implied teen sexual encounter, homosexual references, recurring rough and crude language, profanity and several blasphemous jokes. L -- limited adult audience, films whose problematic content many adults would find troubling. (PG-13) 2004

Due to religious stereotypes, an implied teen sexual encounter, homosexual references, recurring rough and crude language, profanity and several blasphemous jokes, the USCCB Office for Film & Broadcasting classification is L -- limited adult audience, films whose problematic content many adults would find troubling. The Motion Picture Association of America rating is PG-13 -- parents are strongly cautioned. Some material may be inappropriate for children under 13.

[Carrie]

"Limited adult audience"

Sounds to me like they are saying be cautious in who views the film, but it doesn't sound like an outright ban to me.

In other words, unimpressionable adults who are strong in their faith won't be affected by it. Maybe those shaky in faith and teenagers (and younger) should stay away from it then. My point is that ADULTS should be allowed to view a movie such as this without judgement from people who have yet to even see the movie themselves.

As far as the sex scenes, the USCCB says "implied sex scenes" which means they don't actually show anything, hence the word implied.

[Luthien]

Read the article I posted. Jen had to edit it for this board. I went to the actual article and there was a sex scene. They weren't nude, but it was balantly obvious what was happening. Thats what Im talking about when I see sex scene. It was implied, but almost to the point that they might as well have showed it.

[Carrie]

I did read the article you posted.

You're a teenager, right? Then avoid the movie, as the USCCB says.

My only point: responsible adults, strong in faith should not be judged by people who haven't even seen the movie just because they want to see it for themselves.