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[AugustineA]

k, go ahead. I won't post any more pics. 

 

So males make up 40% of abuse cases. Big problems. 

[Perigrina]

Funny because I never said we should do nothing about domestic violence or injustices. All I'm implying is that we shouldn't beach about it like a bunch of wusses. Everyone has a campaign to complain about something, whether it's men's boohooing about abusive women, or women trying to ban the word bossy. IMO, both sexes have coddled beyond reason.

 

You seem to be taking the position that men should just put up with abuse.  It is not clear to me how that is doing something about the problem.  You have been consistently dismissive about this issue, including this post.  There is no comparison between the "ban the word bossy" campaign and raising awareness of domestic violence against men. The former is a manufactured grievance while the latter deals with a genuine serious problem. Acknowledging that men are abused by women, that this is wrong, and that this should be stopped, is not "coddling beyond reason".  

 

Your attempt to shame men out of speaking up against abuse (calling them "a bunch of wusses") contributes to the problem.  You are promoting injustice.  

[Selah]

What's wussey about admitting you need help?

 

God, this alpha male mentality I cannot even

[AugustineA]

I'm with credo. It's not a bad thing to raise awareness and recognize that it happens, and indeed it is a good thing to encourage men and women in abusive situations to seek help. But the popularity and simultaneous fragmentation of social justice into all these tiny movements and awareness campaigns is tiresome..

 

We should be focused on the Gospel, of which a great part is charity and love in our interpersonal and intimate relationships. Forget social justice campaigning. Let's do some Jesus campaigning.. Let's convert hearts so they embrace sacramental life and see their spouse for the beautiful soul they are. Christ heals and orders the wounded and disordered. 

 

Let's encourage priests to be more Christlike, open to help all his flock, men and women in their intimate relationships. Humans need holistic remedies, spiritual and physical. They have to be consoled and mended and embraced. Can you imagine how pained someone would have to be to treat their significant other like that? We need to convert these men and women, not raise awareness that (surprise) men can be treated unfairly. I get enough of that campaigning on billboards and facebook, and it will never fix us. 

 

  :pope3:

 

 

Edited May 26, 2014 by AugustineA

[Perigrina]

I'm with credo. It's not a bad thing to raise awareness and recognize that it happens, and indeed it is a good thing to encourage men and women in abusive situations to seek help. But the popularity and simultaneous fragmentation of social justice into all these tiny movements and awareness campaigns is tiresome..

Most people do not know that domestic abuse of men even exists.  This ignorance leads to abused men being ashamed to seek help, lack of resources for them, and to children being placed with abusive mothers.  This ignorance and its ensuing evils will not be dispelled by "let's just present the Gospel".

 

Yes, an ideal world in which everyone followed Christ would not have this problem.  We don't live in that world and we never will, no matter how much we evangelize.  Nobody is being asked to choose between spreading the Gospel and dealing with specific issues.  Do both.

Edited May 26, 2014 by Perigrina

[Selah]

LOL are you seriously implying social justice is a bad thing?

 

It's too early for this, I'm going out to the garden.

[Perigrina]

LOL are you seriously implying social justice is a bad thing?

 

 

Really. Imagine the reaction if someone wrote a paragraph like this about opposing abortion:

 

"We should be focused on the Gospel, of which a great part is charity and love in our interpersonal and intimate relationships. Forget social justice campaigning. Let's do some Jesus campaigning.. Let's convert hearts so they embrace sacramental life and see the unborn for the beautiful souls they are. Christ heals and orders the wounded and disordered."

 

Part of spreading the Gospel is showing it in our lives.  We must be people of justice and compassion. We must live out the love of God or there can be no evangelism.  Social justice and evangelizing are interdependent, not things to pit against each other.

[Benedictus]

I think people see the reaction of the woman being agressive as 'empowerment' and standing up for herself aganist a man who could, if he wanted, overpower her. I think it is full of wrong notions about what society deems approrpriate, and it's very hypocritical.  I think while such notions exist most of the problems in society, often highlighted by feminists, won't make positive progress. Abuse should be seen as abuse, regardless of who does it.

[Lilllabettt]

wow so phatmass is turning into tumblr. pretty much. God help us all. 

[PhuturePriest]

I have a black belt in karate, and a brown belt in another karate style. I've been doing karate since I was 4 years old, and I'm probably about to get my second degree. I was invited to represent Team USA in the World Congress of Martial Arts several months ago in the Dominican Republic. I don't have much to fear in terms of danger from most women. That being said, if my girlfriend/wife were to attack me, you'd better believe I would call the cops on her. Not because I can't handle her, but because I shouldn't have to handle her. Attacking your spouse either verbally or physically is not mentally stable, and she needs professional help that I cannot provide. The issue isn't about me getting hurt, but about her getting the mental assistance she needs.

Edited May 26, 2014 by FuturePriest387

[Perigrina]

wow so phatmass is turning into tumblr. pretty much. God help us all. 

 

There's a problem with that?

 

http://youtu.be/es4t1WBJKqA
 

[AugustineA]

Selah, why are all your responses so frustrated? Be a bit more patient with everyone.

 

Social justice isn't bad. Where did I say that? Read very closely my response. Social justice is becoming preoccupying. Do not respond with your emotions. Respond with your minds and hearts. 

 

The thrust of my argument is that these social justice awareness campaigns are orphan movements unless they are rooted in the gospel, hence why they are becoming increasingly tiresome. It follows from the argument that if we focus on all these fragmented issues at once, we will never solve the human condition. If we seek true conversion of hearts, we completely conquer it. Peregrina it's not a matter of teaching both the gospel and on abusive situations. The idea is to admonish and raise awareness of abuse through the Gospel (there's no reason one couldn't use these statistics), because the Gospel already includes commandments on these issues. 

 

JPII didn't say hey let's teach psychology and sociology and theology. He said we can understand psychology and sociology through theology. 

Edited May 26, 2014 by AugustineA

[AugustineA]

Really. Imagine the reaction if someone wrote a paragraph like this about opposing abortion:

 

"We should be focused on the Gospel, of which a great part is charity and love in our interpersonal and intimate relationships. Forget social justice campaigning. Let's do some Jesus campaigning.. Let's convert hearts so they embrace sacramental life and see the unborn for the beautiful souls they are. Christ heals and orders the wounded and disordered."

 

Part of spreading the Gospel is showing it in our lives.  We must be people of justice and compassion. We must live out the love of God or there can be no evangelism.  Social justice and evangelizing are interdependent, not things to pit against each other.

 

 

You must be forgetting that the pro-life movement is predominantly Catholic and Christian, and is largely rooted in exactly what is encompassed in that paragraph. In fact, you've produced a shining, a model example of exactly what I'm saying, with only a few dissimilarities. And it's a brilliant success. 

 

(this is for lillabett)

Edited May 26, 2014 by AugustineA

[ardillacid]

what is a tumbler

[Perigrina]

The thrust of my argument is that these social justice awareness campaigns are orphan movements unless they are rooted in the gospel, hence why they are becoming increasingly tiresome. It follows from the argument that if we focus on all these fragmented issues at once, we will never solve the human condition. If we seek true conversion of hearts, we completely conquer it. Peregrina it's not a matter of teaching both the gospel and on abusive situations. The idea is to admonish and raise awareness of abuse through the Gospel (there's no reason one couldn't use these statistics), because the Gospel already includes commandments on these issues. 

 

Matthew 25:35-40

New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)

³⁵ for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, ³⁶ I was naked and you gave me clothing, I was sick and you took care of me, I was in prison and you visited me.’ ³⁷ Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when was it that we saw you hungry and gave you food, or thirsty and gave you something to drink? ³⁸ And when was it that we saw you a stranger and welcomed you, or naked and gave you clothing? ³⁹ And when was it that we saw you sick or in prison and visited you?’ ⁴⁰ And the king will answer them, ‘Truly I tell you, just as you did it to one of the least of these who are members of my family,^[a] you did it to me.’

 

Living the Gospel means dealing with problems as we encounter them.  When someone is hungry you feed him; you don't think about the big picture of how everything is connected.

 

We raise awareness of abuse by telling people about abuse.  Most people don't know that domestic violence against men exists.  They have to know it exists before they can be told that, according to Gospel values, it is wrong.