Norseman82 Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 I'm not blaming the victim, I'm saying men shouldn't play the victim. I'm a man and I do not lament over our lot in life. Men and women are built differently, therefore the rules of engagement will be different. This is life, I simply say offer it up. One offers up one's personal suffering. This is a society-wide problem. There is nothing manly about leaving injustice unopposed. There is nothing manly about keeping silent in the face of lies. I can just imagine how judgment day may go: "For I was hungry, and you told me to offer it up". I saw a post on Catholic Answers forum (the thread may have since been deleted) saying that if a woman hits a man, he should just take it. This type of attitude is exactly why this problem exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selah Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 Admitting you need help isn't weakness. This macho man attitude is dangerous. If a man is being abused by a woman, or a woman is being abused by a man, they need to both leave that situation or look for help and/or asylum. Why is that so hard to understand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice_nine Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 I'm way too tired to formulate a coherent response that won't piss anyone off, but I can see both sides to the debate here. My apologies in advance. If you could give me the benefit of the doubt before assuming I'm a victim-blaming man-bashing she wolf, I would appreciate it. A few questions I have. When does physicality become abuse? To me the word "abuse" connotates exercising power over someone, manipulation, coercement. This power need not be exercised physically, but when it does get physical men have a clear advantage over women. Physical abuse might not be better or worse than other types of abuse (emotional, mental, sexual) in terms of its ramifications for long-term psychological health of the victim, but it is the most immediately dangerous in that it could directly result in someone's death. A man smacking a woman around could kill her. A woman could theoretically kill a man by smacking him around but it definitely wouldn't be a typical scenario. I think people don't take the woman smacking the man around as seriously because they assume, whether its true or not, that the man isn't going to actually die or suffer a serious debilitating injury from it, whereas they assume that behind closed doors the man might actually beat the woman to death. To be clear I'm NOT saying it's the man's fault (victim-blaming) if a chick is going ape **** on a dude. He's obviously staying in the relationship because of some psychological issue (healthy folks don't put up with that crap), but that deserves compassion, not derision. He should get the hell out of that whacked relationship, just as a woman in a similar situation should. But I don't think, generally speaking of course, that physical abuse towards men from women is the real problem. I see a lot of women, in media as well as real life, beat down on men emotionally and mentally and to me that's probably more of an issue. *Also just as a side note, I don't suffer from some delusion that women can't be just as evil as men. There is one person who I know who is a bona fide sociopath, and there is not doubt in my mind that this person could kill 20 people and not feel bad about it and perhaps enjoy it. This person is a chronic manipulator who has abused her children physically, mentally, emotionally, and probably engaged in sexual abuse, and guess what, this person is a woman. The damage that she's caused in the lives of her family is astronomical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perigrina Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 I agree that adult fatalities from domestic violence are significantly more likely to be women, although there are still a lot of men killed. However, I doubt that this plays a major role in the huge disparity in how people tend to respond to domestic violence depending on the sex of the victim. I think the attitude that women should be protected and men should tough it out is not really coming from any rational basis. Women can and do seriously injure men and there is no good reason to assume that an abused man will not be seriously hurt or killed. Often people (male and female) stay in abusive relationships because of the children. This is possibly an even greater factor for men dealing with abusive women. The odds are against a man getting custody of his children, so if he leaves, it means leaving his children with an abuser. A lot of men are going to stay under those circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo in Deum Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 (edited) One offers up one's personal suffering. This is a society-wide problem. There is nothing manly about leaving injustice unopposed. There is nothing manly about keeping silent in the face of lies. Funny because I never said we should do nothing about domestic violence or injustices. All I'm implying is that we shouldn't beach about it like a bunch of wusses. Everyone has a campaign to complain about something, whether it's men's boohooing about abusive women, or women trying to ban the word bossy. IMO, both sexes have coddled beyond reason. Edited May 25, 2014 by Credo in Deum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AugustineA Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 This problem can be solved with awareness, but mostly with more beard.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AugustineA Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 Things are already improving. I can feel it. In fact, I'm gonna grow my beard out more for the movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AugustineA Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQRo-ahZrAQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not The Philosopher Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 So the Thing escaped from Antarctica after all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ice_nine Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 was gonna reply . . . overwhelmed by facial hair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AugustineA Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 Excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perigrina Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 Isn't there some other place to post silly pictures so this thread can be left for the people who want to discuss the topic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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