What's Wrong With Me?

[Perigrina]

Usually on Saturday morning I go to Mass followed by a Rosary.  There is a woman who announces the Rosary, saying something like, "I invite you all to join me in saying the Rosary." I always find this a bit annoying because it sounds like she thinks it is her Rosary, but I tell myself she means well and try to ignore it.  (By the way, when she is not there, the Rosary happens just fine without any announcement or invitation.)

 

Today, her invitation was followed by "Just for a change, we will say the Luminous Mysteries."  I have mixed feelings about the Luminous Mysteries, but I don't have a problem saying them with a group on a Thursday when it is customary.  This, however, made me so angry that I just left.  

 

 It would not have hurt me to pray the Rosary with them.  It would probably have been good for me to give up my own will.  But I was on the verge of Hulking out.

 

[PhuturePriest]

Honestly, I'm more concerned about your "mixed feelings" towards the Luminous Mysteries than I am about you walking out because you don't like this woman. :P

[Perigrina]

Honestly, I'm more concerned about your "mixed feelings" towards the Luminous Mysteries than I am about you walking out because you don't like this woman. :P

 

The Luminous Mysteries themselves are great things to meditate on, but adding them to the Rosary destroys the traditional connection between the Rosary and the Psalms.  (150 psalms, 150 Aves in 15 decades)

[PhuturePriest]

The Luminous Mysteries themselves are great things to meditate on, but adding them to the Rosary destroys the traditional connection between the Rosary and the Psalms.  (150 psalms, 150 Aves in 15 decades)

 

But the connection between the Rosary and the Psalms doesn't matter. It was a nice thought that was subject to change. And it changed for the better. Keep in mind that Saint John Paul had a very close connection to Mary, and he would have conversations with her. He said the Luminous Mysteries were a result of the conversations they would have.

[Nihil Obstat]

But the connection between the Rosary and the Psalms doesn't matter. It was a nice thought that was subject to change. And it changed for the better. Keep in mind that Saint John Paul had a very close connection to Mary, and he would have conversations with her. He said the Luminous Mysteries were a result of the conversations they would have.

"Does not matter" is probably a bit much. Not essential, perhaps, but to call it completely irrelevant...?

[Credo in Deum]

Perigrina, I have an aunt that is much like the woman you described. I don't think she does it intentionally, but she always seems to press my buttons more than anyone else in my family. Lately I have been praying for patience and charity, and for God to show me what the real problems are. Sure I can blame her but at the end of the day the reality is she has no control over my attitude. First thing I try to do is think about how much God has put up with me. This usually brings a smile to my face and gives me the strength to deal with others in a more charitable manner. Then at times I will see that I'm mad at her for doing things I get mad at myself for doing. Lastly, I think about how there are so many different types of personalities in this world and how unreasonable it would be for me to taker her actions personally. It's amazing how easy it is to view other peoples actions as personal attacks when in reality it's just conflicting personalities.

So, with that said I'm now on alert for Winchester, since God usually sends afflictions to help us practice what we preach to others!

Edited May 24, 2014 by Credo in Deum

[PhuturePriest]

"Does not matter" is probably a bit much. Not essential, perhaps, but to call it completely irrelevant...?

 

Keep in mind there are three beginning Hail Marys before you do the Decades, so there are actually 159 Hail Marys, thus meaning the argument that there should only be three sets of Mysteries doesn't hold water.

[Perigrina]

But the connection between the Rosary and the Psalms doesn't matter. It was a nice thought that was subject to change. And it changed for the better. Keep in mind that Saint John Paul had a very close connection to Mary, and he would have conversations with her. He said the Luminous Mysteries were a result of the conversations they would have.

 

The connection between the Rosary and the Psalms is meaningful to me and was recognized by many generations of Catholics.  I am not obliged to feel good about this connection being broken.  I am not even obliged to pray the Luminous Mysteries. Saint John Paul said it was an optional devotion.

 

I am not doing anything crazy like claiming the change is heretical.  I acknowledge that the meditations are beautiful. I am allowed to have mixed feelings.

[Credo in Deum]

You two should start a traditional Rosary vs Luminous mysteries thread in the debate phorum!

Pleases though before you begin your arguments say; "we who are about to die, salute you."

[maximillion]

You are a human being.

 

We all get like this from time to time.

[PhuturePriest]

The connection between the Rosary and the Psalms is meaningful to me and was recognized by many generations of Catholics.  I am not obliged to feel good about this connection being broken.  I am not even obliged to pray the Luminous Mysteries. Saint John Paul said it was an optional devotion.

 

I am not doing anything crazy like claiming the change is heretical.  I acknowledge that the meditations are beautiful. I am allowed to have mixed feelings.

 

It's nice that it means a lot to you. It still makes no sense since there are 159 Hail Marys using just three sets of Mysteries, not 150.

[Credo in Deum]

It's nice that it means a lot to you. It still makes no sense since there are 159 Hail Marys using just three sets of Mysteries, not 150.

[Perigrina]

Keep in mind there are three beginning Hail Marys before you do the Decades, so there are actually 159 Hail Marys, thus meaning the argument that there should only be three sets of Mysteries doesn't hold water.

 

The expression "Our Lady's Psalter" as a name for the Rosary has been used since at least the 15th century. I suppose the convention has always been not to count the introductory Aves.

 

Here is an explanation from the Catholic Encyclopedia http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13184b.htm

 

Further, since the recitation of the Psalms divided into fifties was, as innumerable documents attest, the favourite form of devotion for religious and learned persons, so those who were simple or much occupied loved, by the repetition of fifty, a hundred, or a hundred and fifty were salutations of Our Lady, to feel that they were imitating the practice of God's more exalted servants. In any case it is certain that in the course of the twelfth century and before the birth of St. Dominic, the practice of reciting 50 or 150 Ave Marias had become generally familiar. 

 

This way of understanding the Rosary was a way for the laity to feel connected to religious and clergy. I still find it a touching reminder of the unity of the Church through various states of life.

[Perigrina]

It's nice that it means a lot to you. It still makes no sense since there are 159 Hail Marys using just three sets of Mysteries, not 150.

 

It made sense to the Catholics of the last five centuries.  How many people would you estimate that is?

[Credo in Deum]

The expression "Our Lady's Psalter" as a name for the Rosary has been used since at least the 15th century. I suppose the convention has always been not to count the introductory Aves.

 

Here is an explanation from the Catholic Encyclopedia http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13184b.htm

 

Further, since the recitation of the Psalms divided into fifties was, as innumerable documents attest, the favourite form of devotion for religious and learned persons, so those who were simple or much occupied loved, by the repetition of fifty, a hundred, or a hundred and fifty were salutations of Our Lady, to feel that they were imitating the practice of God's more exalted servants. In any case it is certain that in the course of the twelfth century and before the birth of St. Dominic, the practice of reciting 50 or 150 Ave Marias had become generally familiar. 

 

This way of understanding the Rosary was a way for the laity to feel connected to religious and clergy. I still find it a touching reminder of the unity of the Church through various states of life.