CrossCuT Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 You might not like the NCR, but I found this article to reflect my thoughts on the matter. We are the tenants of this earth as entrusted by God and we have an obligation to uphold it and take care of it. Not only that, but Climate change is a prolife issue. Our prolife banner should extend to more things than just abortion. Humans have been driven to a point of decision by the consequences -- good and bad -- of two centuries of technological development. In his closing remarks at the Rome meeting, NewYork Times writer Andrew C. Revkin stated, "Scientific knowledge reveals options. Values determine choices. "That is why the Roman Catholic church -- with its global reach, the ethical framework in its social justice teachings and, as with all great religions, the ability to reach hearts as well as minds -- can play a valuable role in this consequential century." The problem is enormous, but so is the opportunity for the church to use its resources, its access to some of the best experts in its academies and the attention of those in its parochial structures to begin to educate. This is a human life issue of enormous proportions, and one in which the young should be fully engaged. The Climate Assessment document as well as the recent discussion at the Vatican are excellent starting points for developing curricula materials for education programs in parishes and schools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo in Deum Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 :popcorn2: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 I do not mind as long as "we should also worry about this issue" does not turn into "shut up about these issues I do not like and focus on this one instead." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossCuT Posted May 20, 2014 Author Share Posted May 20, 2014 I do not mind as long as "we should also worry about this issue" does not turn into "shut up about these issues I do not like and focus on this one instead." I dont think we should have to do that. This issue is a big deal and it should be at the forefront of our minds. I believe that any voting for parties who deny global climate change and support big oil are committing mortal sins since the lives of everyone on the planet is in danger if we dont change NOW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perigrina Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 The right to life is the fundamental right on which all others are based. There is no other issue that is as important as stopping abortion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossCuT Posted May 20, 2014 Author Share Posted May 20, 2014 The right to life is the fundamental right on which all others are based. There is no other issue that is as important as stopping abortion. We are basically killing ourselves right now so if the right to life is so important that we should be fighting this as well. Whats the point of fighting to end abortion when all those babies you save will die in 80 years anyway? Not doesnt seem very pro-life to me. Im not suggesting halting our fight against abortion (that would be dumb), Im suggesting that we put the same fire behind this impending catastrophe as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossCuT Posted May 20, 2014 Author Share Posted May 20, 2014 (edited) "Hey babies, Im gonna do everything in my power so that you can live." But the fact youre trashing this planet to the point that it becomes unsustainable to life is kind of screwing these babies over. THEY are the ones who are going to have to live in our screw up. You essentially allowing them to be born into a meat chopper. I think a lot of conservative Catholics are afraid of climate change mostly because its a heavily political issue that is mostly associated with liberal/Democrats. This is when you have to forget about the stupid bipartisan thinking and realize this issue transcends party lines. This isnt a political issue...its a life issue. Edited May 20, 2014 by CrossCuT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 I dont think we should have to do that. This issue is a big deal and it should be at the forefront of our minds. I believe that any voting for parties who deny global climate change and support big oil are committing mortal sins since the lives of everyone on the planet is in danger if we dont change NOW. By that logic, voting for someone who supports any form of legal abortion is also mortally sinful, and probably proportionally more serious due to the relatively more proximate relationship between political action and legal abortion. Would you agree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossCuT Posted May 20, 2014 Author Share Posted May 20, 2014 By that logic, voting for someone who supports any form of legal abortion is also mortally sinful, and probably proportionally more serious due to the relatively more proximate relationship between political action and legal abortion. Would you agree? They are both bad. Dont do either of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perigrina Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 (edited) We are basically killing ourselves right now so if the right to life is so important that we should be fighting this as well. Whats the point of fighting to end abortion when all those babies you save will die in 80 years anyway? Not doesnt seem very pro-life to me. Im not suggesting halting our fight against abortion (that would be dumb), Im suggesting that we put the same fire behind this impending catastrophe as well. I know that abortion kills babies and that it has to stop. There is no uncertainty or confusion of any kind. I do not have the same sort of certainty about the mechanisms which cause climate change or what needs to be done to prevent it. Politicians like to seem like they are doing something about climate change but I doubt that many of them care or are able to evaluate what will be most effective. Climate change is a political issue. To a large extent, is about posturing and image. Fighting abortion is about saving lives. Edited May 20, 2014 by Perigrina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 They are both bad. Dont do either of them. And you will stand by either such votes constituting grave matter necessary for mortal sin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossCuT Posted May 20, 2014 Author Share Posted May 20, 2014 Climate change is a political issue. To a large extent, is about posturing and image. Fighting abortion is about saving lives. And you will stand by either such votes constituting grave matter necessary for mortal sin? Will you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfink Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 We are basically killing ourselves right now so if the right to life is so important that we should be fighting this as well. Whats the point of fighting to end abortion when all those babies you save will die in 80 years anyway? Not doesnt seem very pro-life to me. Im not suggesting halting our fight against abortion (that would be dumb), Im suggesting that we put the same fire behind this impending catastrophe as well. I've not heard a single human casualty of this yet, despite concerns that warming is supposed to be accelerating more rapidly now. I think I'll take the wait-and-see approach on whether global warming is as big a catastrophe for humans, as we've been known as the most resilient and adaptable of every creature on the planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Will you? I am not committed to that proposition, no. Never said I was. I do however think it follows logically that if voting 'anti-environment' is mortally sinful, then voting pro-abortion must be at least equally so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossCuT Posted May 20, 2014 Author Share Posted May 20, 2014 I am not committed to that proposition, no. Never said I was. I do however think it follows logically that if voting 'anti-environment' is mortally sinful, then voting pro-abortion must be at least equally so. I dont believe in this one or the other approach. You can be against abortion AND for greener alternatives to mitigate climate change. I dont know why people seem to think you need to be only in one camp. Cant we fight for global change AND fight abortion? But I suppose you have a point if you are going to consider our broken political system. Where the polarity is always in favor of one or the other...so that basically leaves you to choose which sucks. So then isnt it morally permissible to choose the lesser evil? I do believe, Arfink, that even while you cant attribute direct death to Climate Change right now, it is imminent. It will destroy resources like crops, it will diminish drinking water etc. We are in direct danger of this phenomena and it is due to our negligence. I do not believe its ok to push aside just because we arent seeing the danger in our own back yard. I think your approach is a very very bad one. The effects are happening now and they are only going to get worse. There is no reason that we cant refocus into greener alternatives. The only problems are the huge oil companies, lobbyists and politicians that are too self interested to do anything about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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